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Old 20th May 2020, 07:33 PM   #1
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Default Ugly koummya / nice old blade

Hello everybody,

I found this koummya, the scabbard is ugly and not really well made the hilt is nice but not in good conditions

one nice thing: the blade seems really old thick, and really well made, interesting with the holes,
I think it's my first ''real'' koummya dagger,
not a decorative item
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Old 20th May 2020, 07:39 PM   #2
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I hesitate to take off the ferrule and put it on the scabbard
so we easily could see the basis of the blade with the holes decorations,
( spanish-italian stiletto holes style !?! )

( I think the ferrule is a later add, nothing fantastic )

Or just transfer the blade on another nice koummya ...

What do you think ?

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Old 20th May 2020, 07:39 PM   #3
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Ciao
i disagree your koummya is really good.
Including the scabbard, the problem is with the ears they have been badly repaired... The hilt is good too.
good catch
Why do you think the ferrule is more recent? I dont think so.
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Old 20th May 2020, 07:49 PM   #4
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Hello Kubur,

thank you !

It's just that the ferrule was just fixed with a single brass nail
( easy to take off )

And I wonder why the ''nice blade holes'' were hidden by this ferrule who has a lot of bad repairs and welding ( as on the scabbard...)
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Old 20th May 2020, 09:27 PM   #5
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Looks better like that !?!
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Old 20th May 2020, 10:06 PM   #6
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That's why north arabic weapons are so hard for me to understand.
As Francan, i would assume the blade was good, but not the scabbard and the hilt ...
Kubur, is there any criteria to know in order to identify a real scabbard/hilt ?
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Old 21st May 2020, 09:27 AM   #7
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Kubur, is there any criteria to know in order to identify a real scabbard/hilt ?


I'm afraid that it is called experience...

In this link, even the "real" or "good" koummya is from the early 20th c. 1910-1930.

http://vikingsword.com/ethsword/guide.html


It depends if you want something nice or something used by people "ethnographic".
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Old 21st May 2020, 09:38 AM   #8
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Originally Posted by francantolin
It's just that the ferrule was just fixed with a single brass nail
( easy to take off )
And I wonder why the ''nice blade holes'' were hidden by this ferrule who has a lot of bad repairs and welding ( as on the scabbard...)


One nail is normal.
You are right the ferrule was repaired too, only half is original.

The blade holes are partly hidden, and this is normal with your koummya.
They had to fix the imported blades to the hilts.
Look at my hanzer koummya, half of the stamp is under the ferrule. And I have seen many of them like that.
Your blade is Spanish, my blade is French but I have some koummya with English blades (again half of the maker's name under the ferrule).
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Old 21st May 2020, 09:47 AM   #9
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Thanks for the link Kubur !
I clearly see the quality of work in the one you post ! Thanks for sharing
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Old 21st May 2020, 03:59 PM   #10
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Whaoh,

Thanks Kubur for your precious informations !

I thought too it looked more like an old european blade ( 19th earlier maybe )
more than an oriental production ( ''steel feeling'' )

Kind regards !!
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Old 25th May 2020, 02:28 AM   #11
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In my limited opinion, the ferrule on koummya served a function, even at the expense of aesthetics. It is designed to fit over the mouth of the standard tip keep our grit. If it covered decorative elements of the blade, so be it. Overall, a nice authentic example of one of these and intended to be more than a letter opener (unlike so many of those made for those who travel).
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