Ethnographic Arms & Armour
 

Go Back   Ethnographic Arms & Armour > Discussion Forums > Ethnographic Weapons
User Name
Password
FAQ Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 3rd May 2020, 03:38 AM   #1
Likhari
Member
 
Likhari's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: USA
Posts: 34
Default Tulvars with Zoomorphic Hilts

An interesting exploration would be Zoomorphic Hilts on Tulvars.

Here is a trio of parrots - called Tota in the Hindustani language so these would be Tota-Mukhi Tulvars.
Attached Images
   
Likhari is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 3rd May 2020, 04:35 AM   #2
kronckew
Member
 
kronckew's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: CSA Consulate, Rm. 101, Glos. UK: p.s. - Real Dogs Have Feathering.
Posts: 3,261
Default

My favourite:
Attached Images
 
kronckew is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 3rd May 2020, 08:40 PM   #3
Ibrahiim al Balooshi
Member
 
Ibrahiim al Balooshi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE
Posts: 4,408
Send a message via MSN to Ibrahiim al Balooshi
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Likhari
An interesting exploration would be Zoomorphic Hilts on Tulvars.

Here is a trio of parrots - called Tota in the Hindustani language so these would be Tota-Mukhi Tulvars.



Likhari,
I liked how you have looked the subject through a different lens and note the exceptional work on these hilts. One displays the Knuckle guard that became part of the style in swords in Afghanistan with the swans neck finial.
I also like your name tag Tota-Mukhi Tulvars.
Ibrahiim al Balooshi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 3rd May 2020, 09:08 PM   #4
ariel
Member
 
ariel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
Posts: 4,968
Default

AFAIK, in Indian ( Hindu) pantheon of deities the parrot was a vahana ( vehicle) of Kama, the god of love.
Thus, a question: why would Afghanis, staunch Muslims, use this symbol for their weapons? If you are talking exclusively about the D-guard, what is so specifically " Afghani" about it?
What is important about the first sword, is the presence of an inscription. Any translation? Any date inscribed?
The quality of its image is rather poor: is the blade wootz or just rust-eaten?
ariel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 3rd May 2020, 10:56 PM   #5
Oliver Pinchot
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 376
Default

Because the parrot, or babgha in Arabic, is also considered a creature which reveals secrets, sometimes relating to Paradise. This is probably more 'adat than anything else, but the traditional was strong in Iran, Central Asia and Mughal India.
Oliver Pinchot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 3rd May 2020, 11:57 PM   #6
Likhari
Member
 
Likhari's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: USA
Posts: 34
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Oliver Pinchot
Because the parrot, or babgha in Arabic, is also considered a creature which reveals secrets, sometimes relating to Paradise. This is probably more 'adat than anything else, but the traditional was strong in Iran, Central Asia and Mughal India.


Excellent point Oliver!

Here are some more parrots for you.
Attached Images
   
Likhari is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 4th May 2020, 06:37 PM   #7
Ibrahiim al Balooshi
Member
 
Ibrahiim al Balooshi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE
Posts: 4,408
Send a message via MSN to Ibrahiim al Balooshi
Default

Ariel, One of the adaptions or cross cultural trends in sword design taken up to the 20thC in Afghanistan has been this guard with what appears to be a dominant beak at the top of the Knuckle Guard.

Likhari, The beautiful hilt form in Tuquoise blue is from a style of Kastane likely to be South Indian by form...rather than Tulvar ..but a great example all the same. This designation of South Indian is likely key to the origin of design in Kastane influencing the Sri Lankan Royal Court artesans many who were from South Indian workshops.
Attached Images
  
Ibrahiim al Balooshi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 7th May 2020, 11:28 PM   #8
Likhari
Member
 
Likhari's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: USA
Posts: 34
Default

You are right Ibrahim that indeed is a Katsane but the design seems to have evolved parallel to the Tulvar. Here are a couple more examples:
Attached Images
  
Likhari is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 8th May 2020, 05:52 AM   #9
Likhari
Member
 
Likhari's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: USA
Posts: 34
Default

1
Attached Images
 

Last edited by Likhari : 8th May 2020 at 06:04 AM.
Likhari is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump



All times are GMT. The time now is 08:36 PM.


Powered by: vBulletin Version 3.0.3
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Posts are regarded as being copyrighted by their authors and the act of posting material is deemed to be a granting of an irrevocable nonexclusive license for display here.