Identification of a sword

Agrippa · 18th December 2015, 08:21 AM

Hello!
I am new to this forum. I would like to get help to identify this sword. I bought it recently on an auction in Sweden. It was just described as oriental. The blade has silver inlays. Does anyone have an Idea about What it is?

estcrh · 18th December 2015, 05:57 PM

It does not look "oriental" to me.

RobertGuy · 18th December 2015, 06:17 PM

This seems a bit crazy but the layout and style of the fullers is identical to a model 1832 US Artillery Sword. This sword was itself based on the famous French 1816 Artillery Sword nick-named the coupe-chou or cabbage cutter.
The 1832 US sword pictured has an 18'' (46 cm) blade. How large is your sword?

Kubur · 18th December 2015, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by RobertGuy

This seems a bit crazy but the layout and style of the fullers is identical to a model 1832 US Artillery Sword. This sword was itself based on the famous French 1816 Artillery Sword nick-named the coupe-chou or cabbage cutter.
The 1832 US sword pictured has an 18'' (46 cm) blade. How large is your sword?

Its exactly what I think. It's a mix of stuff. Now I'm unable to say if its a recent mix or an old mix. The guard looks really Western medieval...Really strange...

Miguel · 18th December 2015, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Agrippa

Hello!
I am new to this forum. I would like to get help to identify this sword. I bought it recently on an auction in Sweden. It was just described as oriental. The blade has silver inlays. Does anyone have an Idea about What it is?

Hi Agrippa, Welcome to the forum. I like your sword but I am puzzled as to its origin. It reminds me of one of those fantasy swords that can be seen advertised on various web sites.
Regards
Miguel

Iain · 18th December 2015, 08:18 PM

This strikes me as an attempt to imitate a cinquedea of the 15th century, although not one of typical form.

However, I strongly suspect it is a 19th century "historismus" product. The blade may well be taken from an artillery pattern, the guard is certainly, at least in my opinion, not of any great age.

Reproductions were quite common during the 19th century and still hold value.

Agrippa · 19th December 2015, 10:36 PM

Thank you for your thoughts about the sword. The blade is 63 cm, so much longer than the artillery sword mentioned. The blade is of high quality, the blade is flexible. The silver inlays are well done. I have also thought about some kind of a mix of parts, but then made a long time ago. 1800s? I bought it anyway because I just like the look and feel of the sword! It does look like something from the lord of the ring!

RobertGuy · 20th December 2015, 07:58 AM

Agrippa
Interesting about the blade lengths. The fuller patterns are so alike that I wonder if the French makers of the artillery sword took their inspiration from a sword similar to yours. Another amazing coincidence is that the overall length (including hilt) of my artillery sword is 63cm

iskender · 17th January 2016, 09:22 PM

sire, try looking in the direction of faschinenmessers of german origin similar to the M 1805 Bayern klingenlänge 630mm greetings iskender switzerland

ariel · 18th January 2016, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by RobertGuy

.... The fuller patterns are so alike that I wonder if the French makers of the artillery sword took their inspiration from a sword similar to yours....

Wouldn't it be easier to suggest the opposite: Persian master copying ( or prettifying) French example?
After all, he needed to make only one special order, whereas the French had to approve it as a regulation pattern and make thousands of them.

RobertGuy · 18th January 2016, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ariel

Wouldn't it be easier to suggest the opposite: Persian master copying ( or prettifying) French example?....

Indeed it could be. It would be helpful if we could establish the chronology of the items.

18th December 2015, 05:57 PM	#2
estcrh Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: USA Posts: 1,497	It does not look "oriental" to me. Attached Images

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RobertGuy Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 135	This seems a bit crazy but the layout and style of the fullers is identical to a model 1832 US Artillery Sword. This sword was itself based on the famous French 1816 Artillery Sword nick-named the coupe-chou or cabbage cutter. The 1832 US sword pictured has an 18'' (46 cm) blade. How large is your sword? Attached Images

17th January 2016, 09:22 PM	#9
iskender Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 60	artilleriefaschinenmesser sire, try looking in the direction of faschinenmessers of german origin similar to the M 1805 Bayern klingenlänge 630mm greetings iskender switzerland

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18th December 2015, 08:18 PM	#6
Iain Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Olomouc Posts: 1,680	This strikes me as an attempt to imitate a cinquedea of the 15th century, although not one of typical form. However, I strongly suspect it is a 19th century "historismus" product. The blade may well be taken from an artillery pattern, the guard is certainly, at least in my opinion, not of any great age. Reproductions were quite common during the 19th century and still hold value.

19th December 2015, 10:36 PM	#7
Agrippa Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 2	Thank you for your thoughts about the sword. The blade is 63 cm, so much longer than the artillery sword mentioned. The blade is of high quality, the blade is flexible. The silver inlays are well done. I have also thought about some kind of a mix of parts, but then made a long time ago. 1800s? I bought it anyway because I just like the look and feel of the sword! It does look like something from the lord of the ring!

20th December 2015, 07:58 AM	#8
RobertGuy Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 135	Agrippa Interesting about the blade lengths. The fuller patterns are so alike that I wonder if the French makers of the artillery sword took their inspiration from a sword similar to yours. Another amazing coincidence is that the overall length (including hilt) of my artillery sword is 63cm