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Old 2nd December 2021, 09:59 PM   #1
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Can anyone please help me with the translation of the text in the cartouche of this yataghan?!How it can be dated?
Is it possible that one of the markings is a sultan's tugra?
I will be happy to share your opinion!
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Old 2nd December 2021, 10:27 PM   #2
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Interesting. I found a date and can read 122(?)

Better photos might help reading the date.
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Old 3rd December 2021, 12:02 AM   #3
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Inside the tughra it says in Turkish

sahib ahmed ‘amel-i hüseyin kalfa

“The owner Ahmed, work of Hüseyin Kalfa”

The tughra form itself might be the word malik, another word for “owner”

The date above is 1229 (1813-14)

The first line of the inscription in the long cartouche is of a type common on yataghans. In Turkish:

ya muhammed kıl şefaat ümmetindir ahmed

“O Muhammad intercede for Ahmed (on the Day of Judgement), he is [from] your community”

The second line is the ubiquitous Arabic phrase:

la fata illa ‘ali la sayf illa dhu’l-fiqar

“There is no hero but ‘Ali, no sword but Dhu’l-Fiqar (Zülfikar)”

For another piece by Hüseyin Kalfa

https://www.alifart.com/osmanli-yatagan-272436/
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Old 3rd December 2021, 08:55 PM   #4
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Thanks again for the help from kwiatek
I have another question. Can anyone guess the region where it was produced?
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Old 3rd December 2021, 09:18 PM   #5
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Thanks again for the help from kwiatek
I have another question. Can anyone guess the region where it was produced?
I also join in thanking Kwiatek for contributing to our forum so much with his insightful translations!

Thank you!

I can guess. Guessing is easy... I guess...

I guess the blade is Turkish (as in Made in Turkey)... and the hilt is not original but a replacement, that wasn't made neither in Turkey, nor in the Balkans.
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Old 4th December 2021, 07:26 AM   #6
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Really nice yataghan ,
and another time thank's a lot Kwiatek for the translation and informations !!

As Marius said before,
Have you other close up pictures of the yataghan ??
( If you have it in your own hands ... )
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