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Rick · 31st January 2005, 04:25 PM

Prime,
I see that you have left out Tammens works .
Is there a reason for this ?

I have found them to be quite helpful .

Alam Shah · 31st January 2005, 04:41 PM

Rick,
I've heard of Tammens's work, but have not acquired any of his books.
Difficult to find.

- De Kris: Magic Relic of Old Indonesia, Vol. I, II, & III,
- G.J.F.J. Tammens
- Privé uitgave van G.J.F.J.Tammens
- Eelderwolde I: 1991, II: 1993, III: 1994
- ISBN 90-9004342-X, 90-9006237-8, 90-802185-1-0

If you know where I can get these books, I'll appreciate it.

Rick · 31st January 2005, 05:42 PM

Have you tried this Seller .
I got all 3 of my volumes from them .
http://www.ethnographicartbooks.com/

Also another helpful book is :

KRISSES
A Critical Bibliography

by David van Duuren
isbn: 90 73 187 42 7

A handy guide to available writings on the keris with comments .

Alam Shah · 31st January 2005, 11:11 PM

Yes, Rick...I getting this. Currently awaiting for delivery. The book I listed are the ones that I have.

Krisses: a critical bibliography
- Auth: David van Duuren, Pub: 2002, Netherlands ISBN: 9073187427
- Format: Hardcover, 192 pages
- ***1/2 Van Duuren catalogs and reviews most of the known writings on the keris.

About This Book
The kris -- an object of fascination for many travellers and researchers through the
centuries -- became the object of serious study with the publication in 1817 of Sir
Stamford Raffles' historic two-volume work, The History of Java. This bibliography,
the first of its kind ever, compiles and analyses the important 19th and 20th century
publications about the krisses of Indonesia, Malaysia and the Philippines. Accompanied
by several colour plates, this work is the seminal research tool for collectors and
connoisseurs of this Southeast Asian weapon.

Alam Shah · 31st January 2005, 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

Have you tried this Seller .
I got all 3 of my volumes from them .
http://www.ethnographicartbooks.com/

Excellent link. Will add new acquisition to my keris books, soon. Thank you, Rick.

Rick · 31st January 2005, 11:29 PM

I'm sorry they didn't have Tammens Prime .
I searched every bookseller I know and Tammens trilogy seems to have dropped totally out of sight .

Alam Shah · 31st January 2005, 11:33 PM

Other books that I have on keris.

Keris,- Auth: Drs Hamzuri, Pub: Penerbit Djambatan, Jakarta 1993 (1984)
- ISBN 979-428-1190
- ** Basic information on kerises, mainly javanese pieces.

Keris and other weapons of Indonesia,
- Auth: Moebirman, Pub: Yayasan Pelita Wisata, Jakarta, [1973, c1970]
- ** Basic information on kerises, mainly javanese pieces.

Kris Gli Invincibili- The Invincible Krises,
- Auth: Vanna en Mario Ghiringhelli, Pub: BE-MA, Milano 1991
- ISBN 88-7143-111-1
- **** A beautifully illustrated little book with some of the best photographs
- of keris i have seen. Unfortunately, it's a tiny-sized volume (about 4 1/2 X 5 1/2). A good visual tour on keris with not much text.

Listed below is a book not directly related to keris, but have references to its use in Malay Magic, mysticism.

Malay Magic: an introduction to the folklore and popular religion of the Malay peninsula,
- Walter W. Skeat

Note: Still looking for this book. Anyone can help?

Alam Shah · 31st January 2005, 11:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

I'm sorry they didn't have Tammens Prime .
I searched every bookseller I know and Tammens trilogy seems to have dropped totally out of sight .

Yeah, that's what I thought.

Thanks, anyway for searching.

nechesh · 1st February 2005, 12:44 AM

Hey Prime, look here for Skeat and just about any other book you can imagine: http://www.bookfinder.com/search/?ac...32175_1:64:185

Alam Shah · 1st February 2005, 01:59 AM

nechesh,
Whew! Didn't know the cost of Malay Magic book, is at USD 300. (Could get a keris for that amount...just kidding

). I guess, with the knowledge goes into the research on the subject and the scarcity of this resource, makes it a worthwhile buy.

Thanks nechesh. Excellent link. (Why I didn't find it in my search earlier...

).

nechesh · 1st February 2005, 03:23 AM

Prime, i think you misread something. I just ordered this book for $30 USD. Sure, you can buy a first edition for $300 or more, but it was reprinted in 1967 and you can get those pretty cheap. Check the site again. They list from cheapest to most expensive examples.

Sang Keris · 1st February 2005, 03:34 AM

i think Koesni's book has more acceptable explaination for mysthical power of keris...,. too bad , no english version.

Alam Shah · 1st February 2005, 05:41 AM

Opppsss!!! My mistake. Looking at the link in the wee hours of the morning...
Thanks for highlighting...(else, ordered a $300 item when it's available at $30).

Alam Shah · 1st February 2005, 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sang Keris

i think Koesni's book has more acceptable explaination for mystical power of keris...,. too bad , no english version.

Any idea where I can get it? Bahasa Indonesia is not a problem for me.

Sang Keris · 1st February 2005, 12:58 PM

i have a copy..mail me your address .. i'll send it to u

Mick · 1st February 2005, 06:37 PM

Is Koesni's book "Pakem Pengetahuan Tentang Keris" or another one?

Sang Keris · 2nd February 2005, 03:42 AM

yes.. tht one,,

31st January 2005, 11:11 PM	#34
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Yes, Rick...I getting this. Currently awaiting for delivery. The book I listed are the ones that I have. Krisses: a critical bibliography - Auth: David van Duuren, Pub: 2002, Netherlands ISBN: 9073187427 - Format: Hardcover, 192 pages - *1/2 Van Duuren catalogs and reviews most of the known writings on the keris. About This Book** The kris -- an object of fascination for many travellers and researchers through the centuries -- became the object of serious study with the publication in 1817 of Sir Stamford Raffles' historic two-volume work, The History of Java. This bibliography, the first of its kind ever, compiles and analyses the important 19th and 20th century publications about the krisses of Indonesia, Malaysia and the Philippines. Accompanied by several colour plates, this work is the seminal research tool for collectors and connoisseurs of this Southeast Asian weapon. Last edited by prime; 31st January 2005 at 11:37 PM.

31st January 2005, 11:33 PM	#37
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Other books that I have on keris. Keris,- Auth: Drs Hamzuri, Pub: Penerbit Djambatan, Jakarta 1993 (1984) - ISBN 979-428-1190 - Basic information on kerises, mainly javanese pieces. Keris and other weapons of Indonesia, - Auth: Moebirman, Pub: Yayasan Pelita Wisata, Jakarta, [1973, c1970] - Basic information on kerises, mainly javanese pieces. Kris Gli Invincibili- The Invincible Krises, - Auth: Vanna en Mario Ghiringhelli, Pub: BE-MA, Milano 1991 - ISBN 88-7143-111-1 - ** A beautifully illustrated little book with some of the best photographs - of keris i have seen. Unfortunately, it's a tiny-sized volume (about 4 1/2 X 5 1/2). A good visual tour on keris with not much text. Listed below is a book not directly related to keris, but have references to its use in Malay Magic, mysticism. Malay Magic: an introduction to the folklore and popular religion of the Malay peninsula*, - Walter W. Skeat Note: Still looking for this book. Anyone can help? Last edited by prime; 1st February 2005 at 02:56 PM.*

1st February 2005, 01:59 AM	#40
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	nechesh, Whew! Didn't know the cost of Malay Magic book, is at USD 300. (Could get a keris for that amount...just kidding ). I guess, with the knowledge goes into the research on the subject and the scarcity of this resource, makes it a worthwhile buy. Thanks nechesh. Excellent link. (Why I didn't find it in my search earlier... ). Last edited by prime; 1st February 2005 at 02:50 AM. Reason: sentence structure

31st January 2005, 04:25 PM	#31
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,262	Prime, I see that you have left out Tammens works . Is there a reason for this ? I have found them to be quite helpful .

31st January 2005, 04:41 PM	#32
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Rick, I've heard of Tammens's work, but have not acquired any of his books. Difficult to find. - De Kris: Magic Relic of Old Indonesia, Vol. I, II, & III, - G.J.F.J. Tammens - Privé uitgave van G.J.F.J.Tammens - Eelderwolde I: 1991, II: 1993, III: 1994 - ISBN 90-9004342-X, 90-9006237-8, 90-802185-1-0 If you know where I can get these books, I'll appreciate it.

31st January 2005, 05:42 PM	#33
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,262	Have you tried this Seller . I got all 3 of my volumes from them . http://www.ethnographicartbooks.com/ Also another helpful book is : KRISSES A Critical Bibliography by David van Duuren isbn: 90 73 187 42 7 A handy guide to available writings on the keris with comments .

31st January 2005, 11:29 PM	#36
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,262	I'm sorry they didn't have Tammens Prime . I searched every bookseller I know and Tammens trilogy seems to have dropped totally out of sight .

1st February 2005, 12:44 AM	#39
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	Hey Prime, look here for Skeat and just about any other book you can imagine: http://www.bookfinder.com/search/?ac...32175_1:64:185

1st February 2005, 03:23 AM	#41
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	Prime, i think you misread something. I just ordered this book for $30 USD. Sure, you can buy a first edition for $300 or more, but it was reprinted in 1967 and you can get those pretty cheap. Check the site again. They list from cheapest to most expensive examples.

1st February 2005, 03:34 AM	#42
Sang Keris Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Indonesia Posts: 46	i think Koesni's book has more acceptable explaination for mysthical power of keris...,. too bad , no english version.

1st February 2005, 05:41 AM	#43
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Opppsss!!! My mistake. Looking at the link in the wee hours of the morning... Thanks for highlighting...(else, ordered a $300 item when it's available at $30).

1st February 2005, 12:58 PM	#45
Sang Keris Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Indonesia Posts: 46	i have a copy..mail me your address .. i'll send it to u

1st February 2005, 06:37 PM	#46
Mick Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Orlando Posts: 104	Is Koesni's book "Pakem Pengetahuan Tentang Keris" or another one?

2nd February 2005, 03:42 AM	#47
Sang Keris Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Indonesia Posts: 46	yes.. tht one,,