Death by a natural weapon

Tim Simmons · 6th September 2006, 06:44 PM

No need to mention names and I know this is not a man made weapon but I am sure you will all find this interesting. This is a totemic object, I think it is possible for us to see why. It is a real shame this has lost the barb.

William.m · 6th September 2006, 10:40 PM

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ariel · 6th September 2006, 11:08 PM

Well, Tim, I know why you are so reticent to go into details..... sad story, very sad....

Bill M · 6th September 2006, 11:30 PM

I have held and fed tame stingrays in the Bahamas. They even had names -- "Sugar Ray" and "Ray Charles." They were scary, but did not hurt anyone. Just wanted a handout.

Wingspread of maybe three or four feet. Barbed tails.

This was off shore of St John's Island where the cruise ship stopped.

I hope the critters don't get a bad rep because of this incident. Steve would have hated that.

VANDOO · 7th September 2006, 01:15 AM

THE STINGRAY IS A MEMBER OF THE SAME GROUP AS THE SHARK AND HAS MAINTAINED ITS SAME FORM FOR MILLIONS OF YEARS. IT IS QUITE SUCESSFUL USING ITS SENSE OF SMELL AND MOUTH FOR ALL HUNTING OF SHELL FISH AND INVERTIBRATES AND DOSEN'T USE THE BARB FOR ANY REASON EXCEPT DEFENSE. MANY LARGE SHARKS LIKE TO FEED ON THEM AND ITS NOT UNUSUAL TO FIND BARBS AROUND THE MOUTH OF SHARKS WHERE THEY HAVE BEEN STRUCK. THE BARBS OR BARB ARE COATED WITH A MUCUS COVERING THAT IS TOXIC BUT NOT FATAL TO HUMANS. THE STINGRAY STRIKE IS MOST POWERFUL TO THE SIDES AND FRONT OF THE ANIMAL SO GRABBING OR TOUCHING ITS HEAD WOULD INVITE A STRIKE.
I THINK THE SPEED, RANGE, POWER AND DANGER WERE UNDERESTEMATED IN THIS CASE WITH FATAL RESULTS. THE PROPER HANDELING OF DANGEROUS ANIMALS DOESN'T LOOK AS INTERESTING AS TAKING RISKS SO TAKEING UNNECESSARY RISKS WAS PART OF THE SHOWS REASON FOR SUCESS. A NARROW MISS BY A STRIKING SNAKE, CROC OR OTHER DANGEROUS ANIMAL IS ALWAYS MORE INTERESTING THAN JUST LOOKING AT ONE. BUT WITH WILD ANIMALS AND EVEN VERY WELL TRAINED ONES IT WILL CATCH UP WITH YOU SOONER OR LATER. IT MAY ALSO TEACH SOME PEOPLE WITH NO EXPERIENCE AND POOR JUDGEMENT TO TRY WHAT THEY HAVE SEEN WITH BAD RESULTS. IT IS A SHAME AS HE WAS A INTERESTING AND LIKABLE FELLOW BUT HE HAD A INTERESTING LIFE DOING WHAT HE LIKED BEST. MY SYMPATHYS ARE WITH THE FAMILY AND THEIR LOSS, THE CHILDREN HAVE LOST A VERY FUN DAD

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THE STINGRAY BARBS HAVE BEEN USED AS ARROW AND SPEAR POINTS IN SEVERAL PARTS OF THE WORLD FOR A LONG TIME. THEY ARE ALSO ON THE MENU IN CERTIAN COUNTRYS, AND THE SKINS ARE USED FOR SWORD GRIPS,SCABBARD COVERINGS, BILLFOLDS ECT.

Rick · 7th September 2006, 02:06 AM

The Gentleman in question took extreme risks with deadly species for years; it only stands to reason that such activity would only end badly .
I'm failing to see the connection with the theme of this forum in these posts .

mmontoro · 7th September 2006, 02:00 PM

Tim,

Is that piece from the Solomon Islands?

6th September 2006, 06:44 PM	#1
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,739	Death by a natural weapon No need to mention names and I know this is not a man made weapon but I am sure you will all find this interesting. This is a totemic object, I think it is possible for us to see why. It is a real shame this has lost the barb. Attached Images

6th September 2006, 10:40 PM	#2
William.m Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: England Posts: 104	deleted Last edited by William.m; 6th September 2006 at 11:09 PM.*

6th September 2006, 11:08 PM	#3
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Well, Tim, I know why you are so reticent to go into details..... sad story, very sad....

6th September 2006, 11:30 PM	#4
Bill M Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Georgia Posts: 1,599	I have held and fed tame stingrays in the Bahamas. They even had names -- "Sugar Ray" and "Ray Charles." They were scary, but did not hurt anyone. Just wanted a handout. Wingspread of maybe three or four feet. Barbed tails. This was off shore of St John's Island where the cruise ship stopped. I hope the critters don't get a bad rep because of this incident. Steve would have hated that.

7th September 2006, 01:15 AM	#5
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	THE STINGRAY IS A MEMBER OF THE SAME GROUP AS THE SHARK AND HAS MAINTAINED ITS SAME FORM FOR MILLIONS OF YEARS. IT IS QUITE SUCESSFUL USING ITS SENSE OF SMELL AND MOUTH FOR ALL HUNTING OF SHELL FISH AND INVERTIBRATES AND DOSEN'T USE THE BARB FOR ANY REASON EXCEPT DEFENSE. MANY LARGE SHARKS LIKE TO FEED ON THEM AND ITS NOT UNUSUAL TO FIND BARBS AROUND THE MOUTH OF SHARKS WHERE THEY HAVE BEEN STRUCK. THE BARBS OR BARB ARE COATED WITH A MUCUS COVERING THAT IS TOXIC BUT NOT FATAL TO HUMANS. THE STINGRAY STRIKE IS MOST POWERFUL TO THE SIDES AND FRONT OF THE ANIMAL SO GRABBING OR TOUCHING ITS HEAD WOULD INVITE A STRIKE. I THINK THE SPEED, RANGE, POWER AND DANGER WERE UNDERESTEMATED IN THIS CASE WITH FATAL RESULTS. THE PROPER HANDELING OF DANGEROUS ANIMALS DOESN'T LOOK AS INTERESTING AS TAKING RISKS SO TAKEING UNNECESSARY RISKS WAS PART OF THE SHOWS REASON FOR SUCESS. A NARROW MISS BY A STRIKING SNAKE, CROC OR OTHER DANGEROUS ANIMAL IS ALWAYS MORE INTERESTING THAN JUST LOOKING AT ONE. BUT WITH WILD ANIMALS AND EVEN VERY WELL TRAINED ONES IT WILL CATCH UP WITH YOU SOONER OR LATER. IT MAY ALSO TEACH SOME PEOPLE WITH NO EXPERIENCE AND POOR JUDGEMENT TO TRY WHAT THEY HAVE SEEN WITH BAD RESULTS. IT IS A SHAME AS HE WAS A INTERESTING AND LIKABLE FELLOW BUT HE HAD A INTERESTING LIFE DOING WHAT HE LIKED BEST. MY SYMPATHYS ARE WITH THE FAMILY AND THEIR LOSS, THE CHILDREN HAVE LOST A VERY FUN DAD . THE STINGRAY BARBS HAVE BEEN USED AS ARROW AND SPEAR POINTS IN SEVERAL PARTS OF THE WORLD FOR A LONG TIME. THEY ARE ALSO ON THE MENU IN CERTIAN COUNTRYS, AND THE SKINS ARE USED FOR SWORD GRIPS,SCABBARD COVERINGS, BILLFOLDS ECT.

7th September 2006, 02:06 AM	#6
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,262	The Gentleman in question took extreme risks with deadly species for years; it only stands to reason that such activity would only end badly . I'm failing to see the connection with the theme of this forum in these posts .

7th September 2006, 02:00 PM	#7
mmontoro Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 91	Tim, Is that piece from the Solomon Islands?