Bali keris for comment

hoorn178 · 23rd March 2008, 03:54 PM

Dear all,
Please see enclosed pictures. Can anyone tell me something about the hilt / which god or demon? (the hilt is ivory, I have placed new onyx and ruby stones in the original holes / but in such a way that they can be deleted again from the hilt without any damage). What about the complete picture of the keris. Do the parts fit or are they replacements?

Thanks,
Bart.

David · 23rd March 2008, 06:48 PM

Well, i think it would be hard (for me at least) to come to too many conclusions about this keris based on these 2 pictures. I suggest you try to show us much closer, detailed images.
My first impression, however, is that if the carving on the ivory is good and detailed and indeed old that it seems a bit of a mismatch for the blade, which seems a bit more middle class.

How's the fit in the sheath? Do you think it was made for this blade?

hoorn178 · 23rd March 2008, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by David

Well, i think it would be hard (for me at least) to come to too many conclusions about this keris based on these 2 pictures. I suggest you try to show us much closer, detailed images.
My first impression, however, is that if the carving on the ivory is good and detailed and indeed old that it seems a bit of a mismatch for the blade, which seems a bit more middle class.

How's the fit in the sheath? Do you think it was made for this blade?

Nice to hear from you David!. The blade seems to fit well. Although it sinks a little bit in the sheath but I think that is because of wear. Enclosed some more pictures. I agree that the blade, on first site, looks a bit simple. But when looking closer the pamor is not bad.

Henk · 23rd March 2008, 09:48 PM

At first sight I would say the scabbard is a bit worn out. The blade fits pretty well in the scabbard mouth.

A close up picture of the front of the ukiran would be more helpful like the fourth picture of the backside of the ukiran. The onyx stones in the mouth are a little bit too much in my opinion.

Oil the blade well to prevent from further rusting. Maybe you can remove the rust between the blade and the gonjo with rubbing with oil.

Battara · 25th March 2008, 01:11 AM

This form is not recognizable to me. It may be a mismatch in the mendak and other parts of the hilt.

Also, I don't think the onyx belongs there.

asomotif · 28th March 2008, 12:25 PM

I have never seen a hilt in this form.
So why add the ruby and onyx ?

I like the selut.

Do you have pictures of the bottom of the Ukiran without the selut/mendak ?

Best regards,
Willem

brekele · 29th March 2008, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by hoorn178

Dear all,
Please see enclosed pictures. Can anyone tell me something about the hilt / which god or demon?

I think the hilt look like one of syimbol of demon for balinese ( BUTE KALE ).
The big open mouth is a syimbol of greedy for this bad spirit.

23rd March 2008, 03:54 PM	#1
hoorn178 Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Netherlands Posts: 23	Bali keris for comment Dear all, Please see enclosed pictures. Can anyone tell me something about the hilt / which god or demon? (the hilt is ivory, I have placed new onyx and ruby stones in the original holes / but in such a way that they can be deleted again from the hilt without any damage). What about the complete picture of the keris. Do the parts fit or are they replacements? Thanks, Bart. Attached Images

23rd March 2008, 06:48 PM	#2
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,027	Well, i think it would be hard (for me at least) to come to too many conclusions about this keris based on these 2 pictures. I suggest you try to show us much closer, detailed images. My first impression, however, is that if the carving on the ivory is good and detailed and indeed old that it seems a bit of a mismatch for the blade, which seems a bit more middle class. How's the fit in the sheath? Do you think it was made for this blade?

23rd March 2008, 09:48 PM	#4
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	At first sight I would say the scabbard is a bit worn out. The blade fits pretty well in the scabbard mouth. A close up picture of the front of the ukiran would be more helpful like the fourth picture of the backside of the ukiran. The onyx stones in the mouth are a little bit too much in my opinion. Oil the blade well to prevent from further rusting. Maybe you can remove the rust between the blade and the gonjo with rubbing with oil.

25th March 2008, 01:11 AM	#5
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,139	This form is not recognizable to me. It may be a mismatch in the mendak and other parts of the hilt. Also, I don't think the onyx belongs there.

28th March 2008, 12:25 PM	#6
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,221	I have never seen a hilt in this form. So why add the ruby and onyx ? I like the selut. Do you have pictures of the bottom of the Ukiran without the selut/mendak ? Best regards, Willem