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Old 21st May 2007, 07:45 PM   #1
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Default Timor Sword

29" Long (OAL) Don't have a lot of details. Gotta run right now.

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Old 21st May 2007, 07:59 PM   #2
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Nice one Bill !! The whole thing is just great. Even your avatar got a cheesy grin
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Old 21st May 2007, 10:03 PM   #3
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Default OHHHHH!!

I JUST FALL IN LOVE!! BEATIFUL SWORD, AND IN A VERY GOOD CONDITION!!
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Old 22nd May 2007, 12:23 PM   #4
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Beautifull!!! Congratulations
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Old 22nd May 2007, 01:07 PM   #5
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Very nice Opi!

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Old 22nd May 2007, 08:45 PM   #6
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Bill, congrats for getting this piece from Arjan's collection! I like the carvings and the old fittings...

Michael, why do you think this is an Opi? The hilt and scabbard style seems to me in good agreement with what Albert van Zonneveld classifies as sword of the Timor group, type a, doesn't it?

While the short blade seems to be of good quality, I assume these are mainly status (or ceremonial) swords?

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Old 22nd May 2007, 09:13 PM   #7
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Kai,

I have always called the type a Timor sword an Opi.
But now when you bring it up maybe I have always been wrong on this?

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Old 23rd May 2007, 08:16 PM   #8
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Hello Michael,

AvZ's Opi examples display a distinct hilt and scabbard style. Aside from Stone, he only references W. Foy (1899).

Are there any other primary sources which support a connection between the name and either sword type?

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Old 23rd May 2007, 08:31 PM   #9
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Hello Kai,

I haven't either found that much on Timor weapon names.
Usually the Timor books I have, or have seen, are more into the "tribal art" aspects than weapons.
Unfortunately I don't have the Leiden catalogues on Timor where I suspect the local names are clarified.

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Hi Bill,


To bring up an old threat.
I was looking at old threats and I found this one.
I noticed immediately those sort of "pens" in the handle (sorry Bill, I messed with your nice pic :-) to make clear what I mean).
My rugi from Alor has on two places 2 kind of pens (metal bronzecolour), like your Timor sword. The pens in the rugi are not through the handle. At the other side of the handle it is just plain.
Are those pens in your Timor sword through the handle, and are they wood or also metal? And do you know what purpose it had?

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Old 11th June 2008, 02:06 PM   #11
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Hi Maurice,

The pins in mine are wood or horn.

The hilt is two pieces and then joined together. I suppose that there is a big flat pin (we call them "biscuits" in woodworking) that originates in the smaller side and then terminates inside the larger side where the pins are inserted.

This would hold the two pieces of the hilt together. This would make sense as they might not have a piece of horn big enough to make a one piece hilt.

I have another sword from the same area that has identical pin arrangement.

The pins on both of these go all the way through.

Does that help?

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Old 11th June 2008, 03:04 PM   #12
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Does that help?

Thanks Bill.
Than there is a purpose of the pins in your two pieces. Mine will still be a mistery than I believe.
Maybe you can sent me some pics of the other sword. :-)

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