Ethnographic Arms & Armour
 

Go Back   Ethnographic Arms & Armour > Discussion Forums > European Armoury
FAQ Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 24th November 2023, 12:42 PM   #1
fernando
(deceased)
 
fernando's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Portugal
Posts: 9,694
Default A pair of little pistols for ID ... please

I have received a request from an acquaintance to try and ID a pair of little flintlock pistols of the turn off barrel type.
I guess this is quite a challenge; he has gone through all of his several books and had no result.



.
Attached Images
      
fernando is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25th November 2023, 08:31 AM   #2
corrado26
Member
 
corrado26's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Black Forest, Germany
Posts: 1,204
Default

He has the wrong books! French pistol made by gunmaker DUPIARD at Mācon about 1790 and proofed at St. Etienne
corrado26 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25th November 2023, 12:05 PM   #3
fernando
(deceased)
 
fernando's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Portugal
Posts: 9,694
Default

Udo, your'e my man !!!. Thank you ever so much .
fernando is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25th November 2023, 12:47 PM   #4
Raf
Member
 
Raf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 252
Default

Another version. Maybe a bit earlier. Trying to look better quality than it is . One for the ladies pochet ?
Attached Images
 
Raf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25th November 2023, 12:50 PM   #5
fernando
(deceased)
 
fernando's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Portugal
Posts: 9,694
Default

The one i posted is small, but it comes as a pair; certainly not the pocket version.
fernando is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25th November 2023, 01:25 PM   #6
Raf
Member
 
Raf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 252
Default

Pochet's come in pairs.
Raf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25th November 2023, 01:36 PM   #7
fernando
(deceased)
 
fernando's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Portugal
Posts: 9,694
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Raf View Post
Pochet's come in pairs.
I was referring to pocket version. Did not realize you were referring to the gallicism pochette .
fernando is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25th November 2023, 01:45 PM   #8
Raf
Member
 
Raf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 252
Default

'Lucy Locket lost her pocket.'
Raf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27th November 2023, 02:46 PM   #9
corrado26
Member
 
corrado26's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Black Forest, Germany
Posts: 1,204
Default

The pistol in post 4 looks like its barrel has been cut of, at least the muzzle doesn't absolutely look as it should look normally!
corrado26 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27th November 2023, 04:43 PM   #10
Raf
Member
 
Raf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 252
Default

Yes , I agree it looks odd but as you can see from attached it hasn't been cut down. The forend is chewed because the barrel pin lug had detached during its working life and the barrel was secured by an extemporary metal band. The fluted barrel is interesting as is the lack of provision for a ramrod. Maybe ladies were not expected to have to load their own pistols.
Attached Images
 
Raf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27th November 2023, 04:47 PM   #11
fernando
(deceased)
 
fernando's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Portugal
Posts: 9,694
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Raf View Post
... Maybe ladies were not expected to have to load their own pistols...
fernando is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27th November 2023, 06:46 PM   #12
Raf
Member
 
Raf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 252
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by fernando View Post
Not sure what your point was . Given the fluted barrel and side plate best guess is it actually North Italian.
I would like to think a Venetian courtesan might have caried a pistol like this even if it wasn't of the finest quality. Thats the pistol not the girl.
Attached Images
    

Last edited by Raf; 27th November 2023 at 07:47 PM. Reason: added comment
Raf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27th November 2023, 07:24 PM   #13
fernando
(deceased)
 
fernando's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Portugal
Posts: 9,694
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Raf View Post
Not sure what your point was . Given the fluted barrel and side plate best guess is it actually North Italian.
I was only smiling to your saying that ladies are not expected to load their own pistols.
But speaking of little pistols with barrels "looking like they were cut off", here is one that i once owned.


.
Attached Images
  
fernando is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 12:31 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Posts are regarded as being copyrighted by their authors and the act of posting material is deemed to be a granting of an irrevocable nonexclusive license for display here.