15th July 2023, 11:57 AM | #1 |
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Pestle ?
A friend presented me this item. I suppose it could be a small (9,5 cm) pestle, made of buffalo horn. I hope that more informed friends can identify its origin from the style of decorations. Thanks in advance !
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15th July 2023, 12:01 PM | #2 |
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15th July 2023, 01:29 PM | #3 |
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pestle
Here they are
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15th July 2023, 08:54 PM | #4 |
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Do you mean a pestle as in "mortar & pestle"? Because i am pretty sure it is not that kind of pestle for a number of reasons.
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16th July 2023, 01:26 PM | #5 |
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Surely GIO means something else; right, GIO ? .
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16th July 2023, 04:09 PM | #6 |
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Pestle ?
Thanks for your attention, David and Fernando. No, I didn't mean something else, I really cannot imagine what it is. It has no hole at the end, and it is rather small to be a hilt, so I imagined it could be a small pestle.
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16th July 2023, 11:23 PM | #7 |
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Hello Gio,
I think you mean such betel crusher pestles like in the picture, these both pestles I have recently bought but they have not arrived yet. Both are from Lombok. These I know from other examples I've handled and don't think that your small handle is from a Lombok betel crusher but could be from one of another region. But could be from a small pisau also. Regards, Detlef |
16th July 2023, 11:28 PM | #8 |
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I think you mean pestle handle, correct?
Looking at your pictures I have a feeling that your handle is East Javanese or Madurese, but just my feeling. |
17th July 2023, 11:54 AM | #9 |
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Yes, it could be an unfinished (it has not yet the hole) betel crusher hilt. As to the origin, I remember having seen already the figure with the two "eyes", arms and hands, but I don't remember where.
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Nice items and good carvings. All seem really old. Best regards Gio |
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So when we summarize, it was most probably in use (patina), it has no hole for a tang, it's small and very likely a handle. I think you have to investigate in this direction.. I have no idea yet, sorry. Regards, Detlef |
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17th July 2023, 03:16 PM | #12 |
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A talisman or jimat??
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17th July 2023, 03:31 PM | #13 |
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Hi Gio,
Thank you! From time to time I get offered nice items from Indonesia, so this two old betel crushers and the wooden Bali/Lombok handle. Two nice old taji ayam are in this parcel as well. Best regards, Detlef |
19th July 2023, 04:06 AM | #14 |
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Horn does not make a very effective crushing tool, so I'd not opt for pestle.
The end looks rather like a truncated cone; it might fit into some sort of socketed apparatus, the nature of which I couldn't guess. |
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We have had a thread special for this items, see here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ight=Taji+ayam Until now I don't know why it got closed, I would be glad to post them there, I have a third one before. Maybe the mods can open this thread again and I would be glad to show them there! I don't want to hijack this thread and I would be reluctant to start a new thread about taji ayam! Anyway, here two pic. of my three boxes. Best regards, Detlef Last edited by Sajen; 24th August 2023 at 11:32 AM. |
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25th August 2023, 11:11 AM | #17 |
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Hello Detlef,
Thanks for the pictures. These are very nice boxes. Since I bought the book Kotak Taji by van Donk, I've been also looking for such a beautiful piece. Best regards Peter |
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By me is the book on my wish list! Like Alan wrote in the given thread they are hard to come by and most of the time very expensive, sadly. Best regards, Detlef |
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