11th December 2020, 08:53 AM | #1 |
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help with talismanic inscription
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I recently purchased a tulwar from the tirri collection! On the blade is an inscription. It does not seem to be a word or phrase but rather single letters, number or symbols? Is anyone able to translate this? also, there seems to be a orange circle..does this signify anything? thanks! |
13th December 2020, 05:06 PM | #2 |
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I think this inscription is upside down. I rotated it for you. What I see are Arabic numbers with possibly one exception at the beginning at the right side.
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13th December 2020, 09:11 PM | #3 |
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Im not familiar with Arabic numerals but I seem to see the following: 2 6[?] 9 [with something else?] 3[?] and a 5. Seems to be a random set of numbers? But maybe linked to the first word on the right?
Any idea on what that might say? |
16th December 2020, 06:47 AM | #4 |
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Very beautiful example! Congratulations!
The blade may benefit from some cleaning. I have no idea what the cartouche inscription says but it appears to intact. Last edited by mariusgmioc; 16th December 2020 at 08:22 AM. |
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thanks! Yes the inscription is proving quite troublesome to decipher. |
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19th December 2020, 11:23 AM | #6 |
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Where in India do you think this is from? Might help with the inscription
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19th December 2020, 05:35 PM | #8 |
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Not too sure. In tirris book he does not say where it is from. Just says its a persian blade with a indian hilt. Dated 18th century
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19th December 2020, 05:37 PM | #9 |
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Tirris does not say in his book. Only states that its 18th century, persian blade with indian hilt. Maybe its mughal but in terms of location, I am not too sure -
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20th December 2020, 11:36 PM | #11 |
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I would be careful of Tirri - his book has many many inaccuracies through out the book.
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23rd December 2020, 12:56 PM | #12 |
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ਸਤਿ ਸ਼੍ਰੀ ਅਕਾਲ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ.
Are you certain that the orange circle is not a rust spot, ਜ |
23rd December 2020, 07:12 PM | #13 |
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I dont think it is. Its very uniform. Looks almost deliberate
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30th December 2020, 11:18 PM | #14 |
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Just an update. Been speaking to some experienced collectors. One pointed out an interesting fact. Said that the hilt is most likely of punjabi/lahore origin Based on its design. Maybe the blade was an import? Or off another sword and mounted on the hilt later?
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31st December 2020, 10:56 AM | #16 |
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All you ever wanted on Arabic numerals: Some of those characters you think are numbers, aren't.
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