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![]() I have always been curious about the origin of the coteng form Thailand. Coould it be inspired by the Rajamala hilt form Cirebon Java? I enclose an old example of a Rajamala hilt which strongly resembles a Coteng.
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![]() Hi Alexish,
very good possible and I think that this was discussed here before and I think that others like Kerner has noticed this resemblance before when I remember correct. Regards, Detlef |
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Yes, this has been discussed here before. If i am not mistaken Shahrial did some comparisons on these hilt forms some time ago. I'll try to find that thread. |
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![]() I hereby enclose another example of a Cirebon/Tegal Rajamala handle.
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Sorry Alexish, this isn't a Tegal Rayamala hilt, it look like Sumatran hilt with some Malay features to my eyes or a very unusual Coteng hilt. Here a hilt from my own collection. Regards, Detlef |
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To my eyes i would consider this a coteng hilt. Like Sajen, i also do not think it originates in Cirebon. |
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![]() Sorry to disagree, this isn't any genuine coteng hilt; I also don't see any features that suggest a Sumatran origin.
This looks like rather poor, later craftsmanship to me. I'd guess at a maker from Java/Madura... Regards, Kai |
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Kai, you may well be right, but you are not necessarily disagreeing with me. I should have been clearer. When i said i would identify this as a coteng hilt i was not considering whether or not it was an old original or a recent copy. I was referring more to the style of hilt. Frankly i don't know enough about coteng hilts to determine the age of this hilt or exact origin, but the elements of the hilt were clearly designed it appear as a coteng hilt might, especially around the mouth, eyes and nose. What i was most trying to debate was that i do not think this is an example of a Cirebon hilt as Alexish has suggested. ![]() |
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![]() I know very little about cotengs, I know a little bit about North Jawa.
In my opinion this is not a hilt from Cirebon, nor from the Pesisir in general. Workmanship looks fairly crude. I feel that it has been carved from a light, rather soft wood and stained or lacquered, in which case we might be looking at something from the 1970's-1990's. I have no idea at all where it might be from. |
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The same I can say about my comment, I only want to state that it isn't a hilt from Tegal. But have to agree about age and craftsmanship with Kai and Alan. |
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![]() I agree with others but would consider South Sumatra (Lampung) as the most probable origin for the hilt shown by Alexish in post#4 or at least a possible one.
Regards Last edited by Jean : 13th December 2017 at 07:44 AM. |
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![]() Dear Collectors,
Here is a brand new Rajamala hilt carved in Madura, based on the design in the first post. |
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![]() Here is also a newly-carved Sumatran (Palembang) version of either a Rajamala or Coteng Hilt, which was also made in Madura. This is based on a figural hilt in a previous post:
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showt...ht=figural+bird |
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To be brutally honest... ![]() me·di·o·cre ˌmēdēˈōkər/Submit adjective of only moderate quality; not very good. "a mediocre actor" synonyms: ordinary, average, middling, middle-of-the-road, uninspired, undistinguished, indifferent, unexceptional, unexciting, unremarkable, run-of-the-mill, pedestrian, prosaic, lackluster, forgettable, amateur, amateurish. |
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