23rd August 2017, 03:34 PM | #1 |
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Guess what ... an ammunition
I know this is no place for quizzes but, i couldn't resist asking whether you guys are familiar with this ... projectile. It is made of lead, weighs 42 grams and measures 33X18 mm.
In any case, i will be back soon with the solution . . |
23rd August 2017, 03:49 PM | #2 |
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can it be a fishing lead.
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23rd August 2017, 03:56 PM | #3 |
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Roman slingshot projectile?
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I would also say it is a Roman slingshot projectile. Here is a picture from an german archeologic discovery near the town Haltern. Similar dimensions as Fernandos example. Roland |
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23rd August 2017, 06:42 PM | #5 |
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Definitively slingingshot projectiles most probably ancient Roman.
On German Wikipedia you will find an detialed article about this objects: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schleuderblei Are there any traces of former inscriptions on the projectiles? |
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Outstanding; i just went to a shop downtown and when i was back the riddle was already cracked; within precisely 22 minutes.
Indeed a sling projectile, called by archeologists 'gland'; full name glans plumbeae. As apparently there are no mould seams, it must be the later beaten plate version, of so called biconic shape, which could be dated around the last phase of Roman civil wars (2-1 centuries BC). Found somewhere in the middle of the country; there are not many around. |
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What kind of inscriptions Andi?
Ones that were like the graffiti written on later cannon balls and more recently bombs? Last edited by Rick; 23rd August 2017 at 08:08 PM. Reason: sp |
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The football shape giving it spin thus more accuracy seems quite plausible.
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a couple greek cast message ones and some roman ones with a wooden mold. also shows two 'thumb' projectiles, thumb stuck in clay, then lead poured in.
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24th August 2017, 07:18 AM | #13 |
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Very good replicas indeed! Attaining accuracy with a sling is undoubtedly a good way to develop hand-eye coordination. This sort of exercise might just be the thing to get children off the couch and away from electronics on a sunny weekend More appealing than piano lessons, don't you think?
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a more thorough googling found a bunch of better and somewhat older examples: acorn & whistlers, old thumbs, scorpio & bird (?), flower power, and a horde of roman shot found in situ near a scottish hill fort, Burnswark Hill, in the Dumfries region of southwest Scotland, that they were attacking. ...and now the science, more experimental archaeology: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MB7M27WnG0 and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vJBKfQFD8I Last edited by kronckew; 24th August 2017 at 08:39 AM. |
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According to studies made, and also some rare phisical evidence, moulds were made of clay (terracota) as per fragments found both in Phanagoria (now in the Hermitage) and Olynthos, this one made out of an amphora handle. In any case, the example i posted was not made by pouring lead into such bivalve moulds but by hammer beating portions of lead plate. Quote:
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And from the three options offered by the scholar for the whistle purpose, i guess i would elect the psychological (scaring) one. . Last edited by fernando; 24th August 2017 at 06:24 PM. |
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Names of conflicting states or cities; names of Generals; wishings to one self (Victory); (obtain) wishings towards the enemy; animals depiction: generally dangerous; thunderbolts, weapons and similar, as other symbols: scorpions, cobras, eagles, stylized thunderbolts, lances, tridents , etc. - |
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Slightly larger slingshot ammunition:
I just returned from a trip to the medieval town of Visby on Gotland. In an arrow slit on the top floor of the St.George gate in the 13thC town wall, can be seen a wedged stone missile catapulted from a mangonel during one of the medieval sieges! . Last edited by fernando; 24th August 2017 at 06:30 PM. Reason: Turned to upright position |
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Beautiful ... and rather large for a slingshot ammo, indeed .
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Yes you can read about it on https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visby_City_Wall if you scroll down to Saint George Gate.
Not as fascinating as Tomar Castle, though. |
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