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Old 18th August 2017, 09:08 PM   #1
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Default Ottoman type kindjal

Hello, everyone.I recently joined this wonderful forum and it is time to ask for your opinion
A few days ago I bought an ottoman kindjal (It is my guess).Unfortunately, the text does not recognize it as Ottoman.Could you please suggest what is this kinjal?

Thank you all in advance
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Old 19th August 2017, 05:18 AM   #2
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I've seen similar inscriptions on Sudanese daggers from late 19th-early 20th centuries. The posted kindjal is rather more ornate, and the inscriptions are more neatly incised, than those I mention. That said, I was surprised to find the back of the dagger to be rather more crudely finished than the front. Is the blade heavy enough to be useful as a weapon?

For those who know, are offset fullers of different origin than the symmetrical ones we see on this blade?

I'm not implying Sudanese origin or connection for this dagger, of course, merely noting possible similarities.
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Old 19th August 2017, 06:57 AM   #3
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Hi,

Yes it's an Ottoman kindjal, even a Turkish ottoman kindjal.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showt...ottoman+kindjal
Look at his little brother

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and here the little sister...

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Old 19th August 2017, 08:16 AM   #5
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Thanks for the answers.

I was confident that it's an Ottoman kindjal,but only text disturbs me
I have an idea how it looks Ottoman Turkish text, but this does not seem such as?
Some time ago I had two similar

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Old 20th August 2017, 06:15 AM   #6
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Thanks for the answers.

I was confident that it's an Ottoman kindjal,but only text disturbs me
I have an idea how it looks Ottoman Turkish text, but this does not seem such as?
Some time ago I had two similar


The Ottomans used different scripts, plus if your inscription is just a simple religious Arabic text then don't expect something "special"...
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The Ottomans used different scripts, plus if your inscription is just a simple religious Arabic text then don't expect something "special"...



Thank you for the answer. Earlier I had two such kindjals but I sold them. The text is in Ottoman Turkish.
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Today I got two interesting kindjals.It seems to me that the first one is made of a piece broken yatagan The handle, however, is ivory The second is also interesting.I still have no idea what exactly they are.I would be grateful for your opinion.
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Old 17th September 2017, 06:51 AM   #9
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And the last picture.
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Old 17th September 2017, 10:47 AM   #10
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Today I got two interesting kindjals.


Kindjals?!

In my oppinion these two knives are anything but kindjals!

I think you should have opened a new thread for these two knives, as they are not related to the original topic in any way.

You are right about the first one being a remounted tip of a broken Yatagan blade.

I don't know about the second but it appears to be very crude and poor workmanship.

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Old 17th September 2017, 12:17 PM   #11
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Thank you for the reply.To really hardly define them as kindjals,but what exactly they are I do not know?
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Old 17th September 2017, 02:48 PM   #12
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All true, but with a twist:-)
Kindjal is a Russian name for a Caucasian dagger Khanjali, which in turn is a local phonetic variant of Persian Khandjar.

We were influenced by the Russian terminology to imagine kindjals as straight double-edged daggers strictly related to the Caucasus ( or their local variants in the Ottoman areal), but paradoxically in Russia " kindjal" is ANY short-bladed weapon of military/fighting variety. Russian language does not have a special general definition for this class of weapons, as opposed to , say, English "dagger".

Thus, in Russian colloquium all the above daggers are "kindjals", just as their off-hand mentioned " kindjal koummya", " kindjal bichhwa" etc.

To make things even more confused, Russian regulation military daggers with curved blades are often called " bebut", but I have no knowledge of the origin of this word. They are often defined as " kindjal bebut".

Thus, both Marius and Osobist are correct, but from different perspectives.

The last one is probably Shibriya made from an old rasp.

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