Pictures and info wanted

Tim Simmons · 30th August 2016, 11:42 AM

Somewhere deep in the archive there are scans old book drawings of stone clubs , hammers and mallets from South American, Peru and Bolivia. Not ancient pieces but 19th century. The stone heads are attached with hide to the side of a wood haft. I cannot find them but some members have them, possibly in Oldman catalogs. Would be so kind to show them again please.

KuKulzA28 · 31st August 2016, 05:37 AM

I don't have scans of old book drawings, but do you mean this kind?
Stone ax blade set in, glued, and then bound to the side of a robust shaft.

Royston · 31st August 2016, 08:05 AM

Tim

I cannot find anything in Oldman from that part of the world.

These are from the British Museum's "Handbook to the Ethnographical collections"

Regards
Roy

Henk · 31st August 2016, 11:41 AM

Amazing, I inherited these books in Dutch. Awesome books by the way.

Tim Simmons · 31st August 2016, 07:20 PM

Thank you Roy. You show an example I was looking for. In my mind there are more but I could be wrong.

Battara · 31st August 2016, 09:10 PM

I have heard of these and even seen some pictures, but not much written as far as I can see.

VANDOO · 1st September 2016, 07:39 AM

I DIDN'T FIND MUCH YET BUT HERE IS A PICTURE OF THREE MOUNTED STONE AX
I THINK THEY ARE NORTH AMERICAN BUT DON'T HAVE THE REFERENCE BOOK SO AM NOT SURE. THESE ARE THICKER AND HEAVIER TYPES OF STONE HEADS THAN YOUR EXAMPLE. THE TOP ONE HAS A CELT BLADE. THE MIDDLE ONE HAS A MAUL/ AX TYPE AND THE THIRD ONE A DOUBLE BLADED AX FORM.

KuKulzA28 · 1st September 2016, 12:57 PM

Just wondering... is it stone bladed aputu or stone axes you're looking for?

Tim Simmons · 1st September 2016, 04:42 PM

Firstly thank you all for the help.

What I am trying to find is some strong visual similarity? evidence? to possibly be more sure of an origin for this stone club, hammer/mallet. The club is akin to types found in North America however I am now starting to think that it may be more likely a Andean peasant tool weapon and 20th century. That does not bother me {not an antique} still an ethnographic artifact that in time will be an antique. I still find a pleasure in the immediate need and raw state of this type of material.

VANDOO · 1st September 2016, 10:48 PM

HERE ARE TWO SIMILAR METHODS OF ADDING A SHAFT TO A WAR CLUB. ONE USES ONE SHAFT BENT OVER THE STONE AND LASHED. THE OTHER USES MULTIPLE SMALLER SHAFTS. WHEN LASHED SECURELY THEY THEN CAN BE COVERED WITH HIDE OR FIBERS AND DECORATED. FLINT BLADES CAN BE USED OR A STONE BOTH ARE EFFECTIVE WEAPONS BUT THE FLINT BLADE CUTS.

30th August 2016, 11:42 AM	#1
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,806	Pictures and info wanted Somewhere deep in the archive there are scans old book drawings of stone clubs , hammers and mallets from South American, Peru and Bolivia. Not ancient pieces but 19th century. The stone heads are attached with hide to the side of a wood haft. I cannot find them but some members have them, possibly in Oldman catalogs. Would be so kind to show them again please.

31st August 2016, 05:37 AM	#2
KuKulzA28 Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: between work and sleep Posts: 731	I don't have scans of old book drawings, but do you mean this kind? Stone ax blade set in, glued, and then bound to the side of a robust shaft. Attached Images

31st August 2016, 08:05 AM	#3
Royston Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Poole England Posts: 443	Tim I cannot find anything in Oldman from that part of the world. These are from the British Museum's "Handbook to the Ethnographical collections" Regards Roy Attached Images

1st September 2016, 07:39 AM	#7
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	I DIDN'T FIND MUCH YET BUT HERE IS A PICTURE OF THREE MOUNTED STONE AX I THINK THEY ARE NORTH AMERICAN BUT DON'T HAVE THE REFERENCE BOOK SO AM NOT SURE. THESE ARE THICKER AND HEAVIER TYPES OF STONE HEADS THAN YOUR EXAMPLE. THE TOP ONE HAS A CELT BLADE. THE MIDDLE ONE HAS A MAUL/ AX TYPE AND THE THIRD ONE A DOUBLE BLADED AX FORM. Attached Images

1st September 2016, 04:42 PM	#9
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,806	Firstly thank you all for the help. What I am trying to find is some strong visual similarity? evidence? to possibly be more sure of an origin for this stone club, hammer/mallet. The club is akin to types found in North America however I am now starting to think that it may be more likely a Andean peasant tool weapon and 20th century. That does not bother me {not an antique} still an ethnographic artifact that in time will be an antique. I still find a pleasure in the immediate need and raw state of this type of material. Attached Images

31st August 2016, 11:41 AM	#4
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	Amazing, I inherited these books in Dutch. Awesome books by the way.

31st August 2016, 07:20 PM	#5
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,806	Thank you Roy. You show an example I was looking for. In my mind there are more but I could be wrong.

31st August 2016, 09:10 PM	#6
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,219	I have heard of these and even seen some pictures, but not much written as far as I can see.

1st September 2016, 12:57 PM	#8
KuKulzA28 Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: between work and sleep Posts: 731	Just wondering... is it stone bladed aputu or stone axes you're looking for?

1st September 2016, 10:48 PM	#10
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	HERE ARE TWO SIMILAR METHODS OF ADDING A SHAFT TO A WAR CLUB. ONE USES ONE SHAFT BENT OVER THE STONE AND LASHED. THE OTHER USES MULTIPLE SMALLER SHAFTS. WHEN LASHED SECURELY THEY THEN CAN BE COVERED WITH HIDE OR FIBERS AND DECORATED. FLINT BLADES CAN BE USED OR A STONE BOTH ARE EFFECTIVE WEAPONS BUT THE FLINT BLADE CUTS. Attached Images