Can Anyone Here Translate Viking Runes?

NovelsRus · 20th July 2013, 02:52 PM

Hi, all -

Was researching Viking "Scramasax," or "Seax," daggers when I stumbled across the three runes (attached). They have nothing to do with the knife, merely (allegedly) Viking as well. Can anyone decipher these, and are they really Viking?

Ragnar must know.

Thanks, folks!

john

Jens Nordlunde · 20th July 2013, 05:03 PM

Hi John,
From different times and places the runes can look different, but I have never seen runes look like this - sorry.
Jens

laEspadaAncha · 20th July 2013, 05:20 PM

Remember that while they (runes) are understood to have their origin in northern Europe, by the middle of the Viking age, they were in use throughout most of of the continent.

The presence of runic-looking characters is not a sufficient condition to imply a Viking attribution IMO. That it is a bronze ring is not of much help either as they were in use from the British Isles to the eastern Mediterranean for the better part (over?) a millenium.

The charcaters do appear to be runic in origin (at least derived from runes), but a search through my slides on runes and a follow-up check of runic sources online didn't turn up anything that shared the same appearance, which leads me to believe that if they are runes, they are an amalgamation of (at least) two characters.

Neat scramasax/seax though... Is it yours? If so, could you post dimensions?

David · 21st July 2013, 03:01 AM

I am not sure that they are runes.
If you can't find in in here, probably not.

http://www.google.com/search?q=runic...w=1397&bih=734

NovelsRus · 22nd July 2013, 03:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by laEspadaAncha

...The presence of runic-looking characters is not a sufficient condition to imply a Viking attribution IMO. That it is a bronze ring is not of much help either as they were in use from the British Isles to the eastern Mediterranean for the better part (over?) a millenium.

Neat scramasax/seax though... Is it yours? If so, could you post dimensions?

Hola, laEspada - Many thanks for your quick reply. Although I don't have the specifics or anything like your background in edged weapons at all, I kind of thought as much, given the generally "loose" nature of claims on eBay.

Like you, I doubt that those three characters are actual Viking runes (possibly Latvian, Belorussian or Ukranian - who knows?), nor is the bronze material any more definitive. I imagine a lot of rings (and bracelets and knives and etc.) were made of bronze during this era. They actually named an Age of Man's history after it -- the Bronze Age.

Still, over time, one gets to know what to look out for, and when unsure, I tend to bow out of the bidding, if in it at all. (You wouldn't believe all the creative phrasing used to skirt the genuineness issue: "Bronze ring from the AGE of the Vikings," as if that alone confers definitive origin as Viking. That's like calling every horror movie made in the 1960s as coming "from the AGE of GODZILLA!" Oy.

Thanks again for your prompt reply and your informative, thoughtful answer. I'll hold my cards for now and keep an eye out for only those that I KNOW to be of Viking manufacture.

Ciao for now!
Bjern Bjorn Yestjerday.

NovelsRus · 22nd July 2013, 03:26 AM

Many thanks to you three for your timely and helpful replies. As Jens said, these things on actual engravings can morph over time and lighting conditions, so . . . it's kind of a toss-up. Without other Viking identification, I'd have to pass on this one.

thanks again!

John

laEspadaAncha · 22nd July 2013, 06:21 PM

Hi John,

Even without a solid Viking attribution, I'm always a sucker for bronze antiquities, be they from the Bronze Age or later. And I'm always a sucker for early symbols or writing (so as you might imagine, I like the ring

). I had the chance a few years ago to acquire some Celtic bronze from a Bronze Age site on the Danube, and I was a little surprised at the simplicity of form and shape all the items had in common...

With regards to this ring though, regardless of whether it came from the Roman Mediterranean or the British Isles, I still like it... Just like the weapons we all collect, it too is a tangible, little time machine resplendent in history and with its own stories to tell.

Cheers,
Chris

20th July 2013, 02:52 PM	#1
NovelsRus Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 41	Can Anyone Here Translate Viking Runes? Hi, all - Was researching Viking "Scramasax," or "Seax," daggers when I stumbled across the three runes (attached). They have nothing to do with the knife, merely (allegedly) Viking as well. Can anyone decipher these, and are they really Viking? Ragnar must know. Thanks, folks! john Attached Images

22nd July 2013, 03:26 AM	#6
NovelsRus Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 41	Thanks, Dave, laEspada, Jens! Many thanks to you three for your timely and helpful replies. As Jens said, these things on actual engravings can morph over time and lighting conditions, so . . . it's kind of a toss-up. Without other Viking identification, I'd have to pass on this one. thanks again! John

20th July 2013, 05:03 PM	#2
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Hi John, From different times and places the runes can look different, but I have never seen runes look like this - sorry. Jens

20th July 2013, 05:20 PM	#3
laEspadaAncha Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 608	Remember that while they (runes) are understood to have their origin in northern Europe, by the middle of the Viking age, they were in use throughout most of of the continent. The presence of runic-looking characters is not a sufficient condition to imply a Viking attribution IMO. That it is a bronze ring is not of much help either as they were in use from the British Isles to the eastern Mediterranean for the better part (over?) a millenium. The charcaters do appear to be runic in origin (at least derived from runes), but a search through my slides on runes and a follow-up check of runic sources online didn't turn up anything that shared the same appearance, which leads me to believe that if they are runes, they are an amalgamation of (at least) two characters. Neat scramasax/seax though... Is it yours? If so, could you post dimensions?

21st July 2013, 03:01 AM	#4
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,115	I am not sure that they are runes. If you can't find in in here, probably not. http://www.google.com/search?q=runic...w=1397&bih=734

22nd July 2013, 06:21 PM	#7
laEspadaAncha Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 608	Hi John, Even without a solid Viking attribution, I'm always a sucker for bronze antiquities, be they from the Bronze Age or later. And I'm always a sucker for early symbols or writing (so as you might imagine, I like the ring ). I had the chance a few years ago to acquire some Celtic bronze from a Bronze Age site on the Danube, and I was a little surprised at the simplicity of form and shape all the items had in common... With regards to this ring though, regardless of whether it came from the Roman Mediterranean or the British Isles, I still like it... Just like the weapons we all collect, it too is a tangible, little time machine resplendent in history and with its own stories to tell. Cheers, Chris