Banjarmasin keris for comments.

Maurice · 27th March 2013, 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asomotif

No, I did not know the buyer. (it was 2 years ago)
Never heard or saw anything of that keris.

Here the 2 wrangka's together.
Notice the similarities in form.

You might remember the seller. He could tell you more about the buyer?

Yes indeed I see the similarities in form!
Both nice pieces. A pity they slipped through your hands Willem...

Maurice

Maurice · 29th March 2013, 03:44 PM

I've had contact with the new owner of the Bandjermasin keris and he emailed me some images of the kris, which I was allowed to post in the forum.

Maurice

asomotif · 29th March 2013, 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maurice

I've had contact with the new owner of the Bandjermasin keris and he emailed me some images of the kris, which I was allowed to post in the forum.

Maurice

Thanks Maurice,
Nice to have the full picture of the blade.
I have enlarged and turned them to get a better view of the blade.

Rick · 29th March 2013, 10:27 PM

When I see a blade like this I always wonder what it looked like new .
How does the gonjo become seperated like that, from the wilah ?

Couldn't have been that way when made, right ?

A. G. Maisey · 30th March 2013, 02:49 AM

Rick, last year I had the opportunity to handle a lot of very old keris that are located in European museums, keris that entered Europe before 1700 in most cases and in a few cases before 1600.

If I had not known the provenance of these keris my opinion would have been that I was handling keris from no earlier than about 1850, probably much later.

What happens with keris that have been located in their native environment for an extended period of time is that repeated cycles of cleaning followed by lengthy neglect results in a large part of the body of the blade being eroded. This erosion also occurs between the blade base and the gonjo, and thus we get a gap, even a light knock can push an old gonjo out of place.

In blades that have been restored in Central Jawa over the last 40 or so years, many m'ranggi have used epoxy resin, or a mix of epoxy resin and iron filings to fill the gap between the blade and the gonjo, thus providing a degree of protection to this area.

Amuk Murugul · 30th March 2013, 09:12 AM

Hullo everybody!

Just referring back to the original post, to me (in local terminology):

Blade: form: Sampana 9Lok
damascene pattern: Lidi Sabatang

Sheath: form: Jukungan

Best,

Jean · 30th March 2013, 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amuk Murugul

Hullo everybody!

Just referring back to the original post, to me (in local terminology):

Sheath: form: Jukungan

Best,

Hello Amuk,
Is this style of sheath common or at least well-known in West Java?
Best regards

29th March 2013, 03:44 PM	#2
Maurice Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,324	I've had contact with the new owner of the Bandjermasin keris and he emailed me some images of the kris, which I was allowed to post in the forum. Maurice Attached Images

29th March 2013, 10:27 PM	#4
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,268	When I see a blade like this I always wonder what it looked like new . How does the gonjo become seperated like that, from the wilah ? Couldn't have been that way when made, right ?

30th March 2013, 02:49 AM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,763	Rick, last year I had the opportunity to handle a lot of very old keris that are located in European museums, keris that entered Europe before 1700 in most cases and in a few cases before 1600. If I had not known the provenance of these keris my opinion would have been that I was handling keris from no earlier than about 1850, probably much later. What happens with keris that have been located in their native environment for an extended period of time is that repeated cycles of cleaning followed by lengthy neglect results in a large part of the body of the blade being eroded. This erosion also occurs between the blade base and the gonjo, and thus we get a gap, even a light knock can push an old gonjo out of place. In blades that have been restored in Central Jawa over the last 40 or so years, many m'ranggi have used epoxy resin, or a mix of epoxy resin and iron filings to fill the gap between the blade and the gonjo, thus providing a degree of protection to this area.

30th March 2013, 09:12 AM	#6
Amuk Murugul Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Kaboejoetan Galoenggoeng Mélben Posts: 457	Hullo everybody! Just referring back to the original post, to me (in local terminology): Blade: form: Sampana 9Lok damascene pattern: Lidi Sabatang Sheath: form: Jukungan Best,