Ethnographic Arms & Armour
 

Go Back   Ethnographic Arms & Armour > Discussion Forums > Ethnographic Weapons
FAQ Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 5th February 2013, 12:58 PM   #1
weapons 27
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 462
Default sword dao chinese need help for restoration of the uncommon handle, and comments

Hello to all
think you that Chinese sword

I need advice to restore the handle lacks a sort of rafia braid!

the handle is made of wood covered with rafia??, the tip is bronze
the scabbard is wood lacquered red, the extremitees are galuchat
and then frame bronze.
the blade is very sharp
total lenght 83 cm , measuring 62 cm blade, 6 mm thick at the base of the guard.
It weighs with the 1kg100gr slider
Attached Images
            
weapons 27 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 5th February 2013, 01:00 PM   #2
weapons 27
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 462
Default

THE SCABBARD
Attached Images
     
weapons 27 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 5th February 2013, 06:40 PM   #3
Sajen
Member
 
Sajen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Germany, Dortmund
Posts: 8,761
Default

The braiding seems to have a very good patination, sadly it's uncomplete. IMHO a very difficult projekt. I think this will need a profi-restorer. And until you don't know the material I would do nothing.

Regards,

Detlef
Sajen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 6th February 2013, 05:32 AM   #4
weapons 27
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 462
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sajen
The braiding seems to have a very good patination, sadly it's uncomplete. IMHO a very difficult projekt. I think this will need a profi-restorer. And until you don't know the material I would do nothing.

Regards,

Detlef



ok thank detlef
weapons 27 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 6th February 2013, 09:33 AM   #5
Tim Simmons
Member
 
Tim Simmons's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: What is still UK
Posts: 5,806
Default

Looks like platted rush or reed or grass. A material like raffia could be platted as a substitute and will not take too long to mellow. People that restore furniture, rush covered chairs, basket makers, might help with materials. In parts of the world where grasses are more commonly used for everyday items, replacing would be done as and when needed. So if you really find it annoying then replacement would not be a sin in my mind.
Tim Simmons is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 6th February 2013, 10:40 AM   #6
weapons 27
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 462
Default

Thanks tim



A person will ' it photos of a braided handle?
weapons 27 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 6th February 2013, 12:13 PM   #7
T. Koch
Member
 
T. Koch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Mother North
Posts: 189
Default

Weird that the rayskin is only present underneath the fittings... Perhaps it once covered the entire scabbard, but is now destroyed...?


Cheers, - Thor

Last edited by T. Koch; 7th February 2013 at 05:43 AM.
T. Koch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 6th February 2013, 10:20 PM   #8
Andrew
Member
 
Andrew's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: USA
Posts: 1,725
Default

This is a new one for me. Modern?
Andrew is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 6th February 2013, 10:58 PM   #9
katana
Member
 
katana's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Kent
Posts: 2,653
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew
This is a new one for me. Modern?

I too have a feeling about this one ...
katana is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 7th February 2013, 12:01 PM   #10
weapons 27
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 462
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by T. Koch
Weird that the rayskin is only present underneath the fittings... Perhaps it once covered the entire scabbard, but is now destroyed...?


Cheers, - Thor
I also think that the rayskin has disappeared and the scabbard was repeind later.
because the fixing of the scabbard level I of the game, about the thickness of the rayskin
weapons 27 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 7th February 2013, 04:40 PM   #11
Gavin Nugent
Member
 
Gavin Nugent's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 2,818
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew
This is a new one for me. Modern?
Nothing modern looking about this...over cleaned yes.
Several others of the type have been seen and discussed within these pages.
Gavin Nugent is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 7th February 2013, 04:49 PM   #12
Andrew
Member
 
Andrew's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: USA
Posts: 1,725
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by freebooter
Nothing modern looking about this...over cleaned yes.
Several others of the type have been seen and discussed within these pages.
Huh. As I said--new to me, but I've certainly not seen it all.

Maybe some SEA influence in the long, cylindrical handle?
Andrew is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 7th February 2013, 05:17 PM   #13
weapons 27
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 462
Default

sword has been cleaned the blade also as well as the scabbard

This sword is old !!!!!!
weapons 27 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 7th February 2013, 06:41 PM   #14
katana
Member
 
katana's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Kent
Posts: 2,653
Default

I too was not suggesting that this is 'brand' new ....I think this could be a 'recent' marriage of older .....and perhaps some newer parts

David
katana is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 7th February 2013, 06:58 PM   #15
Tim Simmons
Member
 
Tim Simmons's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: What is still UK
Posts: 5,806
Default

I think it just a rather nice old example that is a bit worn out and polished. The skin ray skin can be replaced as easy as the handle wrap. You are never going to fake up or recreate that look that it has now. Nice pommel.
Tim Simmons is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 8th February 2013, 09:44 PM   #16
David R
Member
 
David R's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 1,079
Default

My twopennyworth is that it is an old blade and scabbard, dubious guard and grip, and a downright suspicious pommel. The suspension mount has slipped and is too low on the scabbard, the sword would not balance on the suspension cord.
The mounts on these are usualy quite simple, and not figurative like this one. Nonetheless, worth having. Chinese swords have been much under rated in the past, and polish up nicely with a good figure in the metal when etched. I am doing one up of my own, which is why I did some digging around on them.
Attached Images
 
David R is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 9th February 2013, 12:38 PM   #17
weapons 27
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 462
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by David R
My twopennyworth is that it is an old blade and scabbard, dubious guard and grip, and a downright suspicious pommel. The suspension mount has slipped and is too low on the scabbard, the sword would not balance on the suspension cord.
The mounts on these are usualy quite simple, and not figurative like this one. Nonetheless, worth having. Chinese swords have been much under rated in the past, and polish up nicely with a good figure in the metal when etched. I am doing one up of my own, which is why I did some digging around on them.

hi david
Here is the initial place of sleeve rings,as I said the sleeve was covered with rayskin that disappeared so the scabbard ring slide
Attached Images
   
weapons 27 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10th February 2013, 03:46 PM   #18
Neil
Member
 
Neil's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 109
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew
Huh. As I said--new to me, but I've certainly not seen it all.

Maybe some SEA influence in the long, cylindrical handle?
I had the feeling of a SEA influence as well by the nature of the grip, its proportions, as well as the wrap treatment. It has very likely gone through many hands over the years. It is great to see it so complete though. Even if it is not in it's potential "original" construction. It is still a nice example. Thank you for sharing.
Neil is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 12:34 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Posts are regarded as being copyrighted by their authors and the act of posting material is deemed to be a granting of an irrevocable nonexclusive license for display here.