Unknown pendokok

Sajen · 4th March 2012, 01:11 PM

Hello,

a friend get this pendokok by a lot of keris and keris parts. Since we both have never seen a pendokok like this I want to ask you if you know from where this one orginate. The pictures are a little bit blurred, sorry for this.

Thank you in advance,

Detlef

Sajen · 8th March 2012, 07:38 PM

No one?

asomotif · 8th March 2012, 10:13 PM

Hello Detlef,

I think no-one on the forum knows where this one originates.
Probably only the maker knows. And with my little knowledge I think the maker is probably not indonesian.

Best regards,
Willem

Marcokeris · 10th March 2012, 09:35 AM

Neverseen .... and i'm happy

Sajen · 10th March 2012, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcokeris

.... and i'm happy

Sorry Marco, I don't understand!

Regards,

Detlef

David · 10th March 2012, 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sajen

Sorry Marco, I don't understand!

I think perhaps Marco is saying that he is happy he hasn't seen one like this before and would probably rather not again. Where ever this came from i don't personally find it to be all that attractive either...

Sajen · 10th March 2012, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by David

I think perhaps Marco is saying that he is happy he hasn't seen one like this before and would probably rather not again. Where ever this came from i don't personally find it to be all that attractive either...

Agree David, but this wasn't the question. That it isn't a great masterpiece of art I know!

But who ever have worked it spend some time to do it and it look better in natural. Heavy item and maybe gilded.
My friend was interested from where it coming, that was all.

Regards,

Detlef

Marcokeris · 12th March 2012, 12:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sajen

Sorry Marco, I don't understand!

Regards,

Detlef

Sorry.. I'm in Indonesia now and so i see little the forum . The meaning of my answer is that i really dislike this form but is only my personal taste

G. McCormack · 12th March 2012, 04:14 AM

really hard to see any detail do you have any pictures that are in focus?

Sajen · 12th March 2012, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcokeris

Sorry.. I'm in Indonesia now and so i see little the forum . The meaning of my answer is that i really dislike this form but is only my personal taste

Hello Marco,

no problem! I also don't like it really!

Sajen · 12th March 2012, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by G. McCormack

really hard to see any detail do you have any pictures that are in focus?

Yes, understand! I think it depends on the quality of the camera from my friend, he send me some new ones but not really better.

A. G. Maisey · 12th March 2012, 08:34 PM

Personal taste is a funny thing.

For instance, I find Angelina Jolie repulsive, and possibly my favourite female movie star is Whoopi Goldberg. Like I said:- peculiar.

I tend to look for, and to value qualities that indicate something is going on beneath the surface, and that is what I can see in this pendongkok.

I neither particularly like, nor dislike this item under discussion, but when I consider the work that was involved in producing it, and the unique nature of its design, I must admit that I'm pretty impressed.

Probably a lot of people didn't much like this particular design, or we would be more familiar with it, as there would be more of them around.

kronckew · 12th March 2012, 08:45 PM

i also think ol' blubber lips AJ is ugly. the latest fad of showing her legs confirms my opinion - she's also got ugly legs. and she ain't the spring chicken she likes to think she is.

whoopi ain't bad. her personality shows thru. i'd prefer going out with her to AJ.

i'd like to see this item on an appropriate blade & grip, maybe it's personality will shine thru.

David · 12th March 2012, 09:49 PM

Now gentlemen, let's try to say on topic...especially if you are going to go dissin' my girl AJ...

Sajen · 12th March 2012, 09:58 PM

Sorry David,

I am the third one who find AJ repulsive!

Will ask my friend if he can take pictures with different keris sarungs, maybe Malay, Bugis and Sumatra to get an other impression!

Regards,

Detlef

asomotif · 12th March 2012, 10:30 PM

Thank you for the better picture.

I still think this is rather crudly made. It requires some workmanship, but it still feels like someone took the easy way to make a pendokok.

Would like to see pcitures of this pendokok on a keris.

I would also like some pictures of AJ's other leg. just for comparisson...

Sajen · 12th March 2012, 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asomotif

Thank you for the better picture.

I still think this is rather crudly made. It requires some workmanship, but it still feels like someone took the easy way to make a pendokok.

Would like to see pcitures of this pendokok on a keris.

I would also like some pictures of AJ's other leg. just for comparisson...

Hi Willem,

the pictures with a keris will coming!

The other leg from AJ you can see here :

asomotif · 12th March 2012, 11:39 PM

Interesting diet. Low carb., I guess

David · 13th March 2012, 12:21 AM

Gentlemen...you are treading on thin ice with the Angelina jokes. I hope to make her my warrior princess one day!

Sajen · 14th March 2012, 08:24 PM

Here some pictures like promised. In my opinion in most instances not really matching (hilt and sarung) but good enough to get an impression.
BTW, I have chosen my best match regarding where the pendokok is best matching.

asomotif · 14th March 2012, 11:59 PM

Wow, Detlef. I envy you for your keris collection

But I still do not envy you for this pendokok

Especially on the wonderfull keris you put on display here, this pendokok stand out with its poor craftmanship. definately not my style of pendokok.

Best regards,
Willem

Sajen · 15th March 2012, 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asomotif

Wow, Detlef. I envy you for your keris collection

But I still do not envy you for this pendokok

Especially on the wonderfull keris you put on display here, this pendokok stand out with its poor craftmanship. definately not my style of pendokok.

Best regards,
Willem

Hi Willem,

sadly not my collection!

See post #1.

Best regards,

Detlef

asomotif · 16th March 2012, 10:39 PM

You have a lucky friend

Sajen · 17th March 2012, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asomotif

You have a lucky friend

Yup!

Battara · 17th March 2012, 07:37 PM

Great kerises. Is the last one with gold dress and a sultan's keris?

Sajen · 18th March 2012, 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

Great kerises. Is the last one with gold dress and a sultan's keris?

Hi Jose,

most likely not a sultan's keris but one from a person of wealth, oversheath is gilded, not pure gold. Here some pictures from the keris in original state.

Regards,

Detlef

David · 18th March 2012, 03:59 PM

Sweet! ....and much nicer with it's present pendokok...

Sajen · 18th March 2012, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David

Sweet! ....and much nicer with it's present pendokok...

Agree!

Marcokeris · 19th March 2012, 07:17 PM

100% agree ... Beautiful!

Sajen · 19th March 2012, 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcokeris

100% agree ... Beautiful!

Thank's in name of my friend!

14th March 2012, 08:24 PM	#20
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,483	Here some pictures like promised. In my opinion in most instances not really matching (hilt and sarung) but good enough to get an impression. BTW, I have chosen my best match regarding where the pendokok is best matching. Attached Images

4th March 2012, 01:11 PM	#1
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,483	Unknown pendokok Hello, a friend get this pendokok by a lot of keris and keris parts. Since we both have never seen a pendokok like this I want to ask you if you know from where this one orginate. The pictures are a little bit blurred, sorry for this. Thank you in advance, Detlef Attached Images

8th March 2012, 07:38 PM	#2
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,483	No one?

8th March 2012, 10:13 PM	#3
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,221	Hello Detlef, I think no-one on the forum knows where this one originates. Probably only the maker knows. And with my little knowledge I think the maker is probably not indonesian. Best regards, Willem

10th March 2012, 09:35 AM	#4
Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	Neverseen .... and i'm happy

12th March 2012, 04:14 AM	#9
G. McCormack Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Tallahassee, FL Posts: 131	really hard to see any detail do you have any pictures that are in focus?

12th March 2012, 08:34 PM	#12
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,697	Personal taste is a funny thing. For instance, I find Angelina Jolie repulsive, and possibly my favourite female movie star is Whoopi Goldberg. Like I said:- peculiar. I tend to look for, and to value qualities that indicate something is going on beneath the surface, and that is what I can see in this pendongkok. I neither particularly like, nor dislike this item under discussion, but when I consider the work that was involved in producing it, and the unique nature of its design, I must admit that I'm pretty impressed. Probably a lot of people didn't much like this particular design, or we would be more familiar with it, as there would be more of them around.

12th March 2012, 08:45 PM	#13
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,150	i also think ol' blubber lips AJ is ugly. the latest fad of showing her legs confirms my opinion - she's also got ugly legs. and she ain't the spring chicken she likes to think she is. whoopi ain't bad. her personality shows thru. i'd prefer going out with her to AJ. i'd like to see this item on an appropriate blade & grip, maybe it's personality will shine thru.

12th March 2012, 09:49 PM	#14
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,024	Now gentlemen, let's try to say on topic...especially if you are going to go dissin' my girl AJ...

12th March 2012, 09:58 PM	#15
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,483	Sorry David, I am the third one who find AJ repulsive! Will ask my friend if he can take pictures with different keris sarungs, maybe Malay, Bugis and Sumatra to get an other impression! Regards, Detlef

12th March 2012, 10:30 PM	#16
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,221	Thank you for the better picture. I still think this is rather crudly made. It requires some workmanship, but it still feels like someone took the easy way to make a pendokok. Would like to see pcitures of this pendokok on a keris. I would also like some pictures of AJ's other leg. just for comparisson...

12th March 2012, 11:39 PM	#18
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,221	Interesting diet. Low carb., I guess

13th March 2012, 12:21 AM	#19
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,024	Gentlemen...you are treading on thin ice with the Angelina jokes. I hope to make her my warrior princess one day!

14th March 2012, 11:59 PM	#21
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,221	Wow, Detlef. I envy you for your keris collection But I still do not envy you for this pendokok Especially on the wonderfull keris you put on display here, this pendokok stand out with its poor craftmanship. definately not my style of pendokok. Best regards, Willem

16th March 2012, 10:39 PM	#23
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,221	You have a lucky friend

17th March 2012, 07:37 PM	#25
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,139	Great kerises. Is the last one with gold dress and a sultan's keris?

18th March 2012, 03:59 PM	#27
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,024	Sweet! ....and much nicer with it's present pendokok...

19th March 2012, 07:17 PM	#29
Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	100% agree ... Beautiful!