just a tourist greek-ottoman dagger ?

[francantolin]

Hello everybody,

I just bought these two daggers,
more for the ottoman model with the velvet scabbard,

the mounts seems made of bad white metal,
and seems a touristic ( greek ) piece but I liked the arabic engravings on the blade and guess the qama like hilt was made of horn,
not expensive so I bought it.

[francantolin]

I received it and clean it a little,

mounts are very heavy, seems made on coarse cast metal
velvet seems recent on the scabbard.

In the same time the blade is better than I expected,
the ottoman fish-dragon chape is well made and seems silvered brass...

Maybe an old greek decoration piece ?
Or north african with ottoman influence ?

[francantolin]

and finally
under some rust,
this mark on the blade.
Maybe someone knows where it comes from ?

[francantolin]

So a mix
between a qama-beibut dagger,
an ottoman greek dagger
and north african engravings...

Oscillating between a fancy touristic recent stuff and a signed blade...

Glad to receive your comments !

Kind regards !!

[Kubur]

It's what you said almost exactly
Ottoman
Turkish (not Greek)
1900 1920
Constantinopolis
for the koummiya 1920-1950

[kahnjar1]

The dagger on the right is in fact from Morocco and is called a Koummya.
Stu

[francantolin]

Hello,

Thank you Kubur and Stu,

Really thank you Kubur for fix the origin of this dagger !
Do you think the ''mark'' is a turkish one ?

The moroccan Koummya is sadly in really bad conditions


Kind regards

[francantolin]

Like this makers mark ,
circular, said to be from balkans...

are makers marks with drop shape only from Istanbul or Turkey ?
+ I saw them almost only on yatagans blade,
didn't find ( on the web ) on kilij blade per example

[Kubur]

Originally Posted by francantolin

are makers marks with drop shape only from Istanbul or Turkey ?

No of course, many yataghans from the Balkans have them.
Your stamp looks like
but just looks like, your stamp is bigger and less deep than real stamps.
Look at your sheat, the mounts are moulded
its a nice old touristic object, and very decorative