Can you identify these swords

kharmachanic · 14th March 2010, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick

The little sheath knife is called a Puuko .

When you talk of 'unsharpened edge' are you referring to the points or the entire blade length ?

Could be that if you played with them as a kid someone might have rebated the edges for a modicum of safety .

The two long swords appear to have never had an edge, now I am not very familiar with old style blades, but when I look at a modern KATANA with a true edge. These are in no way sharpened, the long leading edge is more of a rounded edge, however the points (short thrusting edge) appears as though it may have had a slight edge on it. This is part of what made me think they might be ceremonial in nature. IT could be that just not being maintained through the years the edge could have become dull, but does not appear that way.
This is what makes me wonder about their being a machete.

Rick · 14th March 2010, 09:44 PM

Let's call them Cutachas then .

How they became dull is anyones guess .

VANDOO · 15th March 2010, 12:49 AM

BETTER CLOSEUP PICTURES OF THE POMMELS AND THE MARKING ON THE BLADES MIGHT HELP GET A MORE ACCURATE I.D.
IT IS INTERESTING THAT ALL THREE POMMELS APPEAR TO BE DIFFERENT. THEY MAY BE DRESS SWORDS WHICH WOULD NOT NEED TO BE SHARPENED. THEY ARE IN SWORD/MACHETE FORM BUT NOT REALLY INTENDED FOR WORK. IF THE OWNER WANTED HE COULD HAVE SHARPENED THEM BUT THEY LIKELY CAME WITH A DULL EDGE. ARE THE GRIPS BONE OR SOME OTHER MATERIAL AND IS THE POMMEL AND GAURDS WHITE METAL OR PLATED?. AN INTERESTING THREESOME I LOOK FOWARD TO LEARNING ANY OF THEIR HISTORY YOU FIND OUT.

kharmachanic · 15th March 2010, 04:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VANDOO

BETTER CLOSEUP PICTURES OF THE POMMELS AND THE MARKING ON THE BLADES MIGHT HELP GET A MORE ACCURATE I.D.
IT IS INTERESTING THAT ALL THREE POMMELS APPEAR TO BE DIFFERENT. THEY MAY BE DRESS SWORDS WHICH WOULD NOT NEED TO BE SHARPENED. THEY ARE IN SWORD/MACHETE FORM BUT NOT REALLY INTENDED FOR WORK. IF THE OWNER WANTED HE COULD HAVE SHARPENED THEM BUT THEY LIKELY CAME WITH A DULL EDGE. ARE THE GRIPS BONE OR SOME OTHER MATERIAL AND IS THE POMMEL AND GAURDS WHITE METAL OR PLATED?. AN INTERESTING THREESOME I LOOK FOWARD TO LEARNING ANY OF THEIR HISTORY YOU FIND OUT.

That is what I was thinking too they may have been dress swords or something more ceremonial then utilitarian. The grips do appear to be bone/ivory (?) or some similar material. As far as the metal, this is not plated, at least my untrained eye cannot see that it is. What ever it is it is solid and the actual metal, it is a gold in color, and the parts that are not tranished (patinaed) can have quite a luster to them. What were they using during that era for ceremonial weaponry? gold? They were for sure poured into a mold as I can see some mold marks (reside/sepage) on the pommels.

is there anyway to determine the approx age via the serial numbers? 500/509/555 I have seen other listings for that same manufacture with numbers in the 2000 and 3000 range.

I have post some more images, close ups of the pommels and handles. I forgot the closeups of the blade markings but I will post those tomorrow.
There is about 6 close ups of each item in the new page.

NEW SWORD IMAGES

VANDOO · 15th March 2010, 04:53 AM

ALL THREE WEAPONS APPEAR TO HAVE BONE GRIPS. ONE POMMEL IS OF SOME SORT OF MYTHACAL MONSTER WITH SCALES. THE SECOND ONE APPEARS TO BE A DOG HEAD AND THE LAST MOST LIKELY A LION. THE FITTINGS APPEAR TO BE CAST BRASS OR BRONZE, BRASS BEING MY BEST GUESS. THE ONLY THING THE NUMBERS ON THE BLADES MAKE ME THINK OF IS THAT THAT ARE FACTORY MADE BLADES NOT HAND FORGED. THATS ABOUT ALL I CAN ADD PERHAPS SOME MEMBER WILL HAVE BETTER INFO ON THEM ESPECIALLY THE MAKERS MARKS ON THE BLADES.

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14th March 2010, 09:44 PM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	Let's call them Cutachas then . How they became dull is anyones guess .

15th March 2010, 12:49 AM	#3
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	BETTER CLOSEUP PICTURES OF THE POMMELS AND THE MARKING ON THE BLADES MIGHT HELP GET A MORE ACCURATE I.D. IT IS INTERESTING THAT ALL THREE POMMELS APPEAR TO BE DIFFERENT. THEY MAY BE DRESS SWORDS WHICH WOULD NOT NEED TO BE SHARPENED. THEY ARE IN SWORD/MACHETE FORM BUT NOT REALLY INTENDED FOR WORK. IF THE OWNER WANTED HE COULD HAVE SHARPENED THEM BUT THEY LIKELY CAME WITH A DULL EDGE. ARE THE GRIPS BONE OR SOME OTHER MATERIAL AND IS THE POMMEL AND GAURDS WHITE METAL OR PLATED?. AN INTERESTING THREESOME I LOOK FOWARD TO LEARNING ANY OF THEIR HISTORY YOU FIND OUT.

15th March 2010, 04:53 AM	#5
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	ALL THREE WEAPONS APPEAR TO HAVE BONE GRIPS. ONE POMMEL IS OF SOME SORT OF MYTHACAL MONSTER WITH SCALES. THE SECOND ONE APPEARS TO BE A DOG HEAD AND THE LAST MOST LIKELY A LION. THE FITTINGS APPEAR TO BE CAST BRASS OR BRONZE, BRASS BEING MY BEST GUESS. THE ONLY THING THE NUMBERS ON THE BLADES MAKE ME THINK OF IS THAT THAT ARE FACTORY MADE BLADES NOT HAND FORGED. THATS ABOUT ALL I CAN ADD PERHAPS SOME MEMBER WILL HAVE BETTER INFO ON THEM ESPECIALLY THE MAKERS MARKS ON THE BLADES.