Shashka translation please.

[Zifir]

Hi,
I must respectfully insist that my reading of the script is correct. The word after amal is (kef-ye-vav-re-kaf) كيورق which can be read as Kevork. That word cannot be read as Kuru for several reasons. Firstly, in Ottoman Turkish grammar there is a rule, "thick" wovels are used with "thick" consonants. Since U is a thick wovel, it should be used with a thick consonant kaf ق not with kef ك . Thus, kuru should have been written as قورو Secondly, in all the scripts the word amal (made by) is followed by swordmaker's name, not by a place name or an adjective such as kuru (by the way, kuru means "dry"). Finally and most importantly, there is a ye ي after kef ك and there is a kaf ق at the end of the word. The reason why some people mistake it for vav و is that in hand writing sometimes a litte tail is added at the end of the letter instead of putting two dots at the top!

I am not an expert in workmanship or material of swords. I also know that a script is only a script, it can be tempered, it may lie, it might be added later. But I think guessing scripts from the workmanship might be somehow a problematic method.

cheers,

[ward]

Im betting Zifir is a native speaker I said get his opinion at the beginning. The name doesn't matter it could be added later. Chilla is right its Daghestan work for sure. Velvet sure doesn't matter its probably been replaced twice anyway.
The work and the blade are not Armnenian and not Turkish that is for sure. I think its important to look at what cant be changed in this situation not what can

[CHILLA]

Originally Posted by Zifir

Hi,
I must respectfully insist that my reading of the script is correct. The word after amal is (kef-ye-vav-re-kaf) كيورق which can be read as Kevork. That word cannot be read as Kuru for several reasons. Firstly, in Ottoman Turkish grammar there is a rule, "thick" wovels are used with "thick" consonants. Since U is a thick wovel, it should be used with a thick consonant kaf ق not with kef ك . Thus, kuru should have been written as قورو Secondly, in all the scripts the word amal (made by) is followed by swordmaker's name, not by a place name or an adjective such as kuru (by the way, kuru means "dry"). Finally and most importantly, there is a ye ي after kef ك and there is a kaf ق at the end of the word. The reason why some people mistake it for vav و is that in hand writing sometimes a litte tail is added at the end of the letter instead of putting two dots at the top!

I am not an expert in workmanship or material of swords. I also know that a script is only a script, it can be tempered, it may lie, it might be added later. But I think guessing scripts from the workmanship might be somehow a problematic method.

cheers,

Dear Zifir ,

Thank you for your grammar lesson! But I said only ,what is written on the silver mount. If we speak about Geurk Eliarov he was very Famous as Sword maker ,here we can see the script only on the mount and with all my repspect it is KURU قورو not كيورق and i should say that we discuss about Caucasian Item,not OTTOMAN-TURKISH ,not ARAB, and of corse translation of Turkish language or arab language couldn't be use for the NAME ,Bcause the NAME KURU is Caucasian name and regionally we can say from DAGHESTAN .If you still insist that is "DRY" ,so I can say that in Chechnya and Dagestan we have the Names like :SAID (transl. Happy), ASHAB,SAHAB or MUSLIM etc. If we read AMAL MUSLIM or AMAL ASHAB, we shoud translate only AMAL (made) by MUSLIM .Of corse it was very usefull to write in ARABIC language like amal KEURK,amal SAID-ALI etc.
So thank you again. My opinion the same is KURU and the mounts was made by Dagestanian maker ,about the sword for the moment we can only guess from which area of Caucasus is it.

Best regards,
Chilla