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Thank you so much Amuk, for identifying this implement.
After a couple browsings following Amuk's track, i have learnt that the staff must be held by the preacher while he delivers the sermon. This is an Islamic custom practiced all over, that goes back to Mohamed days. It originates in values like a symbol of authority, an expression of superiority, availabity to punish and strike, power of judgement and so. It makes an inseparable pair with the pulpit, both simbolizing al-‘ud ani,, or the two pieces of wood. Apparently, soenda is spoken in Bali and Java; are you sugesting Amuk, that this staff is from such area, due to its characteristics? So we can see, Ariel, that this thing has a purpose different from the Ya'd. I too would love to know the basic Arabic name of this implement. Thank you Gustav, for the diagnosis on the blade; i will register that. Concerning the silver work, probably you know much more than me about it, but i woul go for some more age, not excluding 19th century. I will try and get some appreciation by a local smith, at naked eye. Thank you for the link on the Sangkuh, Henk. I remember this thread; but i wouldn't think this is such thing, judging by the input already posted here. Fernando |
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Hi guys,
I was advised by a person well situated in this subject that this item is what they call in Jawa a "stok comando", a command baton popularized by Sukarno, and often used by ex-military people. The use of an old or damaged keris or tombak blade seems to be the current practice. In this case, one practicaly as described by Gustav. Indeed Lombok would have been the place of origin for the silver work. In view of its recent age, in contrast with the 19th century pretended by the seller, i have returned it in exchange for an item of equal price. Fernando |
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Isn't it a hand spear (i.e. Malaysia = Lembing Tangan; Indonesia = Tombak) which is specifically called as Tumper Inas or Tumper Ingas?
Below is the picture of a Lembing Tangan. ![]() Another picture of a Lembing Tangan. ![]() And another picture of a Lembing Tangan which is currently rehandled by the owner. ![]() Click HERE to see another picture of a Lembing Tangan. Quote:
This type of spear has a pudak setegal and a kruwingan. It is very seldom that this type of spear with dapur of Tumper Inas being kept as a Pusaka. It is because this type of spear is normally used by the lowest group of soldiers during that old civilization." Hope my translation make sense ![]() BTW, ASAIK in South East Asia, the khatib (i.e. the person who give sermon) while reading the khutbah (i.e. sermon) during the Congregation Friday Solat normally hold a tongkat (i.e. stick) and not a spear or a weapon ![]() mohd. |
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ฺำBeautiful piece
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