And what is this one??

Tim Simmons · 3rd January 2010, 05:11 PM

Byron and many of his sort from western Europe travelled widely in the Balkan region enjoying a freedom not possible at home. The scabbard and scrimshaw work is very regency and earlier like Robert Adam interiors as already mentioned. Possibly grand tour piece. Very attractive if you like that sort of thing. This ceiling now in the "met" carries all the design features I think.

broadaxe · 7th January 2010, 11:53 PM

Hello all. I had a chance to examine this magnificent dagger in person. My thoughts: Russian hunting dagger, possibly a presentation piece to nobility.
Explanation: this is a kindjal, basically. The small "eared" pommel is more of russian-type shashka's, rather of yataghan-type. Blade is very thick and heavy, Turkish blades tend to be more practical in their construction, thinner & lighter. The decoration motifs, both the scrimshaw and the embossing on the sheath show strong Rococo period design. Russia of the late 18th century, under the rule of Catherine the Great, saw much influence of French art and philosophy. The period scrimshaw itself is a technique I've seen so far strictly on North American, British, French and Russian artefacts. A highly similar scrimshaw can be seen on late 18th c. guns pictured in the book Masterpieces of Russian Hunting Arms by Jurij Miller. I think the hole in the hilt is not for lanyard but for port-epee of some kind. Worksmanship and quality are superb, anyhow.

RSWORD · 8th January 2010, 03:50 AM

I agree completely with Russia as a possible origin of this piece. However, the scabbard has been throwing me off. I think it is possibly later and from a different area than the kindjal. Was copper commonly used in Russia as scabbard material? The scabbard by itself seems more Turkish in flavor, other than the top mount with leather loop.

Dmitry · 8th January 2010, 05:38 AM

This is a European hunting dagger in my opinion, possibly even Russian in origin, as was suggested above. And if I were to be really speculative, I would go with the end of 18th century to the mid-1800s. I am not sure that the rivet heads are original. They look too plain, and don't "work" with the rest of the hilt. Same goes for the brass eyelet.
My $.02

Gavin Nugent · 21st March 2010, 03:10 AM

Disregard..I was having PC issues..

Gav

Gavin Nugent · 25th March 2010, 04:10 AM

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http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=4038

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David · 25th March 2010, 04:39 AM

Apparently this piece is now for sale. Thread closed.

3rd January 2010, 05:11 PM	#1
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,843	Byron and many of his sort from western Europe travelled widely in the Balkan region enjoying a freedom not possible at home. The scabbard and scrimshaw work is very regency and earlier like Robert Adam interiors as already mentioned. Possibly grand tour piece. Very attractive if you like that sort of thing. This ceiling now in the "met" carries all the design features I think. Attached Images Last edited by Tim Simmons; 3rd January 2010 at 06:35 PM.

21st March 2010, 03:10 AM	#5
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	hmmm Disregard..I was having PC issues.. Gav

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Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	??? ??? http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=4038 ???

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7th January 2010, 11:53 PM	#2
broadaxe Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 334	Hello all. I had a chance to examine this magnificent dagger in person. My thoughts: Russian hunting dagger, possibly a presentation piece to nobility. Explanation: this is a kindjal, basically. The small "eared" pommel is more of russian-type shashka's, rather of yataghan-type. Blade is very thick and heavy, Turkish blades tend to be more practical in their construction, thinner & lighter. The decoration motifs, both the scrimshaw and the embossing on the sheath show strong Rococo period design. Russia of the late 18th century, under the rule of Catherine the Great, saw much influence of French art and philosophy. The period scrimshaw itself is a technique I've seen so far strictly on North American, British, French and Russian artefacts. A highly similar scrimshaw can be seen on late 18th c. guns pictured in the book Masterpieces of Russian Hunting Arms by Jurij Miller. I think the hole in the hilt is not for lanyard but for port-epee of some kind. Worksmanship and quality are superb, anyhow.

8th January 2010, 03:50 AM	#3
RSWORD Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 1,086	I agree completely with Russia as a possible origin of this piece. However, the scabbard has been throwing me off. I think it is possibly later and from a different area than the kindjal. Was copper commonly used in Russia as scabbard material? The scabbard by itself seems more Turkish in flavor, other than the top mount with leather loop.

8th January 2010, 05:38 AM	#4
Dmitry Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 607	This is a European hunting dagger in my opinion, possibly even Russian in origin, as was suggested above. And if I were to be really speculative, I would go with the end of 18th century to the mid-1800s. I am not sure that the rivet heads are original. They look too plain, and don't "work" with the rest of the hilt. Same goes for the brass eyelet. My $.02

25th March 2010, 04:39 AM	#7
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,211	Apparently this piece is now for sale. Thread closed.