MERRY CHRISTMAS EVE!

[Jim McDougall]

Originally Posted by Dmitry

In my opinion, this episode was yet another sign of the hypocrisy of man. The next day they were gutting one another, and the next day, and for the next 4 years. Millions died, and for what?!

I wish you all a wonderful, HEALTHY Christmas, and a fruitful New Year.

Actually my recounting this event was to emphasize a quality in the men, that of brotherhood. Much of the horror of war is that the common soldier must fulfill his obligation to duty, even unto the tragedy of mortal combat.
The hypocrisy is given to those who perpetuate war, not to those who by duty, must carry it out. There is a distinct difference, and my reference was to honor those who serve.

All best wishes again to all for a wonderful new year!!!

As always,
Jim

[Dmitry]

I reiterate my Christmas wished to all here! May we never meet on the field of battle!

[katana]

Hi Dimetry
I quote you from the e-mail received from the forum (with your post)....which has now disappeared from the forum website. I only do this because you brought up an interesting point....

"Well, Jim, what happened to the quality of those men, the brotherhood, in all the Christmases following 1914? No similar occurrences on a significant scale came about........"

Dimetry the reason was that this never occurred again "on a significant scale" was because the Generals had decided that from then on continual Artillary bombardment of enemy trenches (Christmas Eve onwards) would prevent communication between the opposing lines of trenches...and thus further unofficial ceasefires. They were not always successful....unofficial truces occured between

".........British and German troops stationed along the Western Front during Christmas 1914 and, to a lesser extent, in 1915. In 1915 there was a similar Christmas truce between German and French troops, and during Easter 1916 a truce also existed on the Eastern Front.........."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_truce

Regards David

[Jim McDougall]

Actually the reason I brought this up was simply to show that even in the atmosphere of war, there can be moments of humanity. It seems that the point spoke for itself..it wasn't a revelation...simply a Christmas miracle.
There will always be those who do not see things the same.
It wasn't intended to provoke a debate, just wanted to say something special on Christmas Eve.
Thank you David, Anandalal and Stu for the kind input and Dmitry for the holiday wishes.
I would say that about wraps it up for this topic.

[Dmitry]

Originally Posted by Jim McDougall

Actually the reason I brought this up was simply to show that even in the atmosphere of war, there can be moments of humanity. .

I did remove what I posted, because this is not a political forum, and I didn't want to escalate this any further..
But since you insist - indeed, there were 'moments of humanity', followed by spreading poisonous gas on one's fellow-Christians.

In my book the whole Christmas cease fire is nothing but a load of bull. These same soldiers were more than happy to kill one another the next morning.

Your story would have a moral, if the belligerents just dropped their weapons and walked home. Otherwise the X-mas cease fire is pretty meaningless, especially in the pedagogical aspect of it. What did the humankind learn from it, really? Nada. It became a cute Christmas yarn, nothing else.

Merry Christmas, all!

[Jim McDougall]

Thanks again for sharing your valuable perspective. With that I really dont think we need any further views on this, and you're right, this is not a political forum. I had hoped to share something I thought special with others on a very quiet Christmas Eve, and you have certainly illustrated why such miracles are sadly quite out of reach, there was no political issuance intended.
I think its best to leave this thread and go back to weapons OK.

[Dmitry]

Hey, let's not waste this opportunity!
Since we're on the subject of Christmas and War - check out these WWI Christmas cards.
Not much love for the fellow man noted...I especially love the aerial bomb Merry Christmas present, and the shooting star, i.e. a rocket lighting up the sky, so the machine gunners can have a pretty clear sight of the Huns on Christmas Eve!

The Russian card is kinda cute - "Our hero is home just in time for the holidays, sporting his medals". The little boy is a Full Cavalier of the Cross of St.George, Imperial Russian highest enlisted man's honor. Wounded, but very lightly.

[fernando]

Originally Posted by Dmitry

... In my book the whole Christmas cease fire is nothing but a load of bull. These same soldiers were more than happy to kill one another the next morning....

Sinister book. Has the author interviewed the soldiers?

[Dmitry]

Originally Posted by fernando

Sinister book. Has the author interviewed the soldiers?

No, but the author is aware of 16 million dead and 21 million wounded. That is why the author collects swords and not Phosgene canisters.