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Old 31st October 2009, 01:11 AM   #12
A. G. Maisey
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Yes, exactly Gustav, and this is the reason why the designated inheritor of a power wants to be present at the death of the person whose place he will take, so that the wahyu can go directly to him, and not be confused into going elsewhere. The wahyu is the sign, not the actual power that the sign indicates.

As I have already stated, I have not heard of the use of the concept of wahyu in association with keris.

The keris is not a form of a body.

Man is created by God, but the keris is created by man.

Those who believe in the powers that flow from a keris can hold the belief that those powers flow from various esoteric sources, but the keris is the focus of the powers and those powers cannot exist except in the presence of the suitable human agent.

The pusaka keris of a Balinese kin group has a relationship to people within that group, and to one person within that group in particular, but it cannot have that relationship to one who is not a member of the group.

For some people a particular keris may possess a certain isi, but for others the isi does not exist.

For some people a particular tuah may be an effective talisman, for other people it may have no effect, or worse, be a negative influence.

The concept of wahyu simply does not fit within the keris belief system.
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