A Sumbawa keris kalawija

Gustav · 7th October 2009, 09:46 AM

Sipakatuo, thank you very much.

A very nice and interesting pamor work on your blade.

I apologize for my very stupid mistake in the previous post. Sumbawa is one island, consisting of two land areas, joined by an isthmus.

There the two pictures, royal keris of Bima (1634) and a keris, attributed to Makassar(?), with figural hilts depicting Bima.

(Note the small gambar.)

sipakatuo · 7th October 2009, 12:20 PM

Thank you Gustav for the pictures. IMHO it is originaly Bima not Maccasar. The form of Keris Tatarapeng (Gold Warangka) is made for high status person (King/Nobilty) the same apply in Sulawesi. This kind of Keris do exist in Sulawesi but normaly for Dynasty heirloom, exchange gifts between dynasties. NTB and NTT produced gold (have gold mining in Sekoteng and Tobedo) and people in certaint area in Lombok are well known to make nice warangka from Gold. The skills passed from generations.

A. G. Maisey · 7th October 2009, 01:08 PM

In Gustav's post, the Makassar keris is the gold one on the right hand side.

It is an early and well documented keris.

Here is the text that accompanies the photograph in Albert van Zonneveld's book.

sipakatuo · 7th October 2009, 01:37 PM

Thanks Alan for adding the info. I have seen it myself during the cleansing of Pusaka Kerajaan Gowa and Bone which I have documented (pictures and video). I will post some of the pictures here. The Tatarapang that now in Gowa is actually a gift from Kerajaan Demak (exchange). I am agree with Zooneveld that it is not certain that the blade was made in Bugis. I have been in and out of Sulawesi few times visiting village to village seeing panre bessie (Pande Besi) and saw few people who own kerisses and none have the same keris like Gustav has posted. The shape and the style are out of Sulawesi.

sipakatuo · 7th October 2009, 02:20 PM

Kalompoang

Procession of Cleansing Gowa's Heirlooms in South Sulawesi.

I am sorry for the poor quality of the pictures, I have to reduce/compress the size.

Just a small number of pictures to share.

sipakatuo · 7th October 2009, 02:24 PM

Tatarapeng of Gowa,

A gift, symbol of friendship from Raden Patah, Dynasty of Demak to Dynasty of Gowa.

Sajen · 7th October 2009, 02:39 PM

Thank you Gustav, Alan and Sipakatuo for all this great informations and work, it is very interesting thread.

sajen

7th October 2009, 09:46 AM	#1
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,273	Sipakatuo, thank you very much. A very nice and interesting pamor work on your blade. I apologize for my very stupid mistake in the previous post. Sumbawa is one island, consisting of two land areas, joined by an isthmus. There the two pictures, royal keris of Bima (1634) and a keris, attributed to Makassar(?), with figural hilts depicting Bima. (Note the small gambar.) Attached Images Last edited by Gustav; 7th October 2009 at 12:14 PM.

7th October 2009, 01:08 PM	#3
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	In Gustav's post, the Makassar keris is the gold one on the right hand side. It is an early and well documented keris. Here is the text that accompanies the photograph in Albert van Zonneveld's book. Attached Images

7th October 2009, 02:20 PM	#5
sipakatuo Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 59	Kalompoang Procession of Cleansing Gowa's Heirlooms in South Sulawesi. I am sorry for the poor quality of the pictures, I have to reduce/compress the size. Just a small number of pictures to share. Attached Images

7th October 2009, 02:24 PM	#6
sipakatuo Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 59	Tatarapeng of Gowa, A gift, symbol of friendship from Raden Patah, Dynasty of Demak to Dynasty of Gowa. Attached Images

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7th October 2009, 12:20 PM	#2
sipakatuo Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 59	Thank you Gustav for the pictures. IMHO it is originaly Bima not Maccasar. The form of Keris Tatarapeng (Gold Warangka) is made for high status person (King/Nobilty) the same apply in Sulawesi. This kind of Keris do exist in Sulawesi but normaly for Dynasty heirloom, exchange gifts between dynasties. NTB and NTT produced gold (have gold mining in Sekoteng and Tobedo) and people in certaint area in Lombok are well known to make nice warangka from Gold. The skills passed from generations.

7th October 2009, 01:37 PM	#4
sipakatuo Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 59	Thanks Alan for adding the info. I have seen it myself during the cleansing of Pusaka Kerajaan Gowa and Bone which I have documented (pictures and video). I will post some of the pictures here. The Tatarapang that now in Gowa is actually a gift from Kerajaan Demak (exchange). I am agree with Zooneveld that it is not certain that the blade was made in Bugis. I have been in and out of Sulawesi few times visiting village to village seeing panre bessie (Pande Besi) and saw few people who own kerisses and none have the same keris like Gustav has posted. The shape and the style are out of Sulawesi.

7th October 2009, 02:39 PM	#7
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,165	Thank you Gustav, Alan and Sipakatuo for all this great informations and work, it is very interesting thread. sajen