Bowie Knife?

Jim McDougall · 9th September 2009, 10:03 PM

Thank you for the note on the thread in which I mentioned Bowie knives actually was Pallas' fascinating topic on Mississippi River and flatboat weapons. I mentioned the Bowie knife as one weapon which indeed was likely present in the latter part of the period mentioned in that thread, about c.1830 and later.

This 'knife' is in my opinion a handsome and sturdy example of what are well known as 'hunting knives' or sometimes in Europe 'camping knives'. It corresponds in profile and simple hilt configuration to one shown in "Knives and Daggers" ( Z. Faktor) which is a Czechoslovakian example with wood hilt of c.1930's. It is noted to be based on contemporary American examples.

I should point out that a very close friend who is of profound American Indian ancestry and very much an outdoors person, has two personal knives he uses in his constant times in various wilderness environments. The reverence in which he cares for these two knives, and uses them, clearly illustrate a man's knife is hardly ever 'just' a knife.

If I suggested otherwise to him, it would not be taken well, and he's pretty good size.

A knife was an American Indian warriors pride and joy, and among the frontiersmen and mountain men, it was crucial in matters of life and death.
In times where guns were often unreliable, the knife was essential to survival, not only in combat, but in utility matters.

While modern times seldom put individuals in insurmountable circumstances, those who frequent the outdoors, at least many of them , still regard thier knife, no matter how pedestrian, as a very personal item.

Although I cant imagine how this knife could become the stuff of a domestic ultimatum, one can seldom discount the unbelievable pettiness sometimes seen in these matters.

All the best,
Jim

Lew · 9th September 2009, 10:39 PM

The knife in question is 1960s-70s vintage probably a Japanese copy.

graeme gt · 9th September 2009, 11:55 PM

Razor sharp ?

kronckew · 10th September 2009, 12:17 AM

since we're on bowies at the moment,

here's an unusual one with a rib bone as a grip. no markings

have no idea how old or where from. white metal guard is shaped to the end of the bone & appears to be german silver (alpaca). 6.25" blade, 1.125" wide, 3/16" thick.

not sure what animal the bone came from.

Jim McDougall · 10th September 2009, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kronckew

since we're on bowies at the moment,

here's an unusual one with a rib bone as a grip. no markings

have no idea how old or where from. white metal guard is shaped to the end of the bone & appears to be german silver (alpaca). 6.25" blade, 1.125" wide, 3/16" thick.

not sure what animal the bone came from.

Very nice Kronckew! Hard to say where from or when, but a stunning example of craftsmanship, and regardless of antiquity or lack thereof, these kinds of knives are highly sought after in many of the regions I have been in during travels. As I was describing earlier, these outdoorsmen deeply cherish thier weapons, and anachronistic as it seems, the frontiers are still very much alive!

All the best,
Jim

Jim McDougall · 10th September 2009, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LOUIEBLADES

The knife in question is 1960s-70s vintage probably a Japanese copy.

Interesting! How is this determined?

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9th September 2009, 10:03 PM	#1
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,196	Thank you for the note on the thread in which I mentioned Bowie knives actually was Pallas' fascinating topic on Mississippi River and flatboat weapons. I mentioned the Bowie knife as one weapon which indeed was likely present in the latter part of the period mentioned in that thread, about c.1830 and later. This 'knife' is in my opinion a handsome and sturdy example of what are well known as 'hunting knives' or sometimes in Europe 'camping knives'. It corresponds in profile and simple hilt configuration to one shown in "Knives and Daggers" ( Z. Faktor) which is a Czechoslovakian example with wood hilt of c.1930's. It is noted to be based on contemporary American examples. I should point out that a very close friend who is of profound American Indian ancestry and very much an outdoors person, has two personal knives he uses in his constant times in various wilderness environments. The reverence in which he cares for these two knives, and uses them, clearly illustrate a man's knife is hardly ever 'just' a knife. If I suggested otherwise to him, it would not be taken well, and he's pretty good size. A knife was an American Indian warriors pride and joy, and among the frontiersmen and mountain men, it was crucial in matters of life and death. In times where guns were often unreliable, the knife was essential to survival, not only in combat, but in utility matters. While modern times seldom put individuals in insurmountable circumstances, those who frequent the outdoors, at least many of them , still regard thier knife, no matter how pedestrian, as a very personal item. Although I cant imagine how this knife could become the stuff of a domestic ultimatum, one can seldom discount the unbelievable pettiness sometimes seen in these matters. All the best, Jim

9th September 2009, 10:39 PM	#2
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	The knife in question is 1960s-70s vintage probably a Japanese copy.

9th September 2009, 11:55 PM	#3
graeme gt Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 97	Razor sharp ?

10th September 2009, 12:17 AM	#4
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,216	since we're on bowies at the moment, here's an unusual one with a rib bone as a grip. no markings have no idea how old or where from. white metal guard is shaped to the end of the bone & appears to be german silver (alpaca). 6.25" blade, 1.125" wide, 3/16" thick. not sure what animal the bone came from.