Interesting Spanish Canary Islands Punal

[Gonzalo G]

Originally Posted by Chris Evans

I think that to this day, `Castellano' (English:Castillian) is still the correct term for what commonly passes for the vulgate `Spanish', though most whom I converse with, including MS Word, fail to make this distinction. Decades ago, anyone with a pretence to an education would never say "I speak Spanish", rather than "I speak Castillian" - It would appear to me that this convention is fading.

Just can't help feeling that Franco may have had something to do with the vigorous upholding of `Castillian', to counter the regionalist/secessionist tendencies in Spain, but I add that this is mere guessing on my part

However, illiteracy in Spain and in South America, was extremely widespread right up to WWII, especially in the rural areas, and this muddies the waters considerably due to the synonymity that was imputed to terms such as for example `Facon' with any knife worn by a gaucho and in a part/s of Spain, if I read Forton correctly, `Faca' was used interchangeably with `Navaja'.

As I pointed out in another thread, languages are dominated by conventions, which lend meanings and nuances to words, that are at times irrational or their derivation is outright incorrect - The "Puñal Criollo" is probably the most obvious example that I can bring to this discussion. And once these conventions have taken hold, it will take a very long time to correct the misuse of certain terms, and often we are stuck with them because of the legacy of historical writings.

Did a Google for it, but couldn't find a link. Any chance of posting it?

And when was it first compiled?

Cheers
Chris

The adoption of castilian as offical languaje of Spain comes from the political and military supremacy of the kingdom of Castilla-Aragón in the times of the Catholic Kings, over the rest of the spanish kingdoms, some of them very reluctant to the unification. This hegemony was not traduced in a complete integration (economic, linguistic, social, political). Thus the separatist forces, and the secular problems of Spain, menaced the unity of the country to the 20th Century, specially in the times of the Civil War, when some provinces saw the opportunity to get autonomy. Franco enforced the unity of the country in base of the centralist castilian government and the linguistic hegemony of the castilian, which had became the ´spanish´ language. Though in some provinces is still used today their local language, even at university level since the death of the dictator.

I agree with your statemens. Faca meant originally a knife.

I give you a link to the Real Academia Española. You will find all the information you need, and the access to the dictionary.

http://www.rae.es/RAE/Noticias.nsf/Home?ReadForm

The Academy was created in the beginning of the 18th Century. You can read a little article about, here:

http://www.elcastellano.org/lodares1.html

Regards

Gonzalo

[Chris Evans]

Ho Gonzalo,

Originally Posted by Gonzalo G

Franco enforced the unity of the country in base of the centralist castilian government and the linguistic hegemony of the castilian, which had became the ´spanish´ language. Though in some provinces is still used today their local language, even at university level since the death of the dictator.

Yes, that is so. I don't know when the secessionist tendencies started to really become strong, but I find it interesting that the ban on weapons commenced with the demise of the Hapsburgs and the Burbon ascendancy at the start of the 18th century, when the Spanish empire commenced its retreat.

I give you a link to the Real Academia Española. You will find all the information you need, and the access to the dictionary.

http://www.rae.es/RAE/Noticias.nsf/Home?ReadForm

The Academy was created in the beginning of the 18th Century. You can read a little article about, here:

http://www.elcastellano.org/lodares1.html

Many thanks for the links - They will prove to be invaluable.

Cheers
Chris

[Gonzalo G]

Hotspur, the better article I have found on this subject online on this matter, you can find it here:

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ed=1#post87632

Though, I think you already know it, since the pictures you show are taken from Abel Domenech´s book and are from his property.
Regards

Gonzalo

[Hotspur]

Originally Posted by Gonzalo G

Hotspur, the better article I have found on this subject online on this matter, you can find it here:

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ed=1#post87632

Though, I think you already know it, since the pictures you show are taken from Abel Domenech´s book and are from his property.
Regards

Gonzalo

Hi Gonzalo,

I am not quite sure why you would offer a link back to this very thread? The pictures attached here were done so for ease of viewing and all of them had been posted to the thread I had linked to in that post. I know little to nothing about these knives in general.

To Chris,

Unless Bernard has been somewhat more enlightened than he was when I brought up the A.E.& Co. back in (oh say) 2000, I would likely be spinning my wheels bringing it to his attentions again. The text encircling the company name reads Marca Registrada, so someone might have the company information but it was unknown at the time of my starting the quest in that venue. I see the mark fairly frequently on other examples.

Cheers

Hotspur; is there any thought of the barreled grips being plug bayonet in origin of style?

Here is another quite similar to mine but a fancier blade

[Chris Evans]

Hi Hotspur,

First, I must apologize to Atlantia for hijacking his discussion. I started another thread in Ethongraphic Weapons under Gaucho Knife. Got you an answer, so please see my reply there. Perhaps a moderator could transfer your original post.

Cheers
Chris

[Atlantia]

Originally Posted by Chris Evans

Hi Hotspur,

First, I must apologize to Atlantia for hijacking his discussion. I started another thread in Ethongraphic Weapons under Gaucho Knife. Got you an answer, so please see my reply there. Perhaps a moderator could transfer your original post.

Cheers
Chris

LOL, no worries Chris, you're very helpful, I can't complain if others also want to corner you for an opinion

I'm still no closer to deciding if I should remove the excess disk metal or not though!

Regards
Gene

[Chris Evans]

Originally Posted by Atlantia

I'm still no closer to deciding if I should remove the excess disk metal or not though!

Regards
Gene

Hi Gene,

If it was mine, I would be sorely tempted to do so, unless I had several and wanted to keep this one as an oddity.

Cheers
Chris

[Chris Evans]

Hi Gene,

This is a video (in Spanish) on how `naifes' are made. I think that you have an unfinished knife.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hB8w1...layer_embedded

Cheers
Chris