RAKSASA & Buta Bajang Figure Hilts

ganjawulung · 4th July 2009, 03:13 AM

Dear All,

Again, this was just an intermezzo. Just call it a weekender keris sight-seeing. Just want to share with you, pictures of what many of you call such hilts as -- raksasa hilts. Or, "buta bajang" hilts, whatever. Really I don't have the "pakem" book yet on such hilts.

I would like to thank you too, if you wish to share too, your pictures on such hilts. I believe, there are still more such hilts all around here...

GANJAWULUNG

ganjawulung · 4th July 2009, 03:15 AM

Here are close ups on one of them...

GANJAWULUNG

ganjawulung · 4th July 2009, 03:19 AM

Some of them are not like "buta" or "raksasa", but like figures of Javanese wayang...

GANJAWULUNG

A. G. Maisey · 4th July 2009, 05:21 AM

Nice handles Pak G.

You're right, it is a pity we do not have any guide book relating to this form of hilt.

I've posted some rough pics of a few of mine, but really, I don't know if they strictly fit the parameters or not --- but I'm certain that they fit the "whatever" classification.

ganjawulung · 4th July 2009, 12:26 PM

Thanks a lot, Alan for sharing your fantastic "butas"... Is there any thing to tell on some of their 'gesture'. Any 'speculation' idea on the "mudra", the special gesture of their hands and fingers maybe?

GANJAWULUNG

VVV · 4th July 2009, 01:28 PM

My favourite kind of keris hilt!
In the late Karsten Sejr-Jensen´s book and CD there is an analysis of the mudra signs etc.

Here are some of mine.

Michael

A. G. Maisey · 4th July 2009, 02:41 PM

Sorry Pak Ganja, this is an area that I know virtually nothing about.

Supposedly many of these figures are found in the pralambapada mudra, but my knowledge is insufficient for me to confirm this, or to speculate upon the reason, if indeed they are.

It has been suggested to me by a Chinese academic who teaches in this area of knowledge that perhaps these mudras are not so accurately portrayed and that to truly interpret them might be more than a little difficult.

These hilts are probably very fertile ground for some serious research.

ganjawulung · 8th July 2009, 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VVV

My favourite kind of keris hilt!
In the late Karsten Sejr-Jensen´s book and CD there is an analysis of the mudra signs etc.

Here are some of mine.

Michael

Thanks, Michael, for showing "your avatar" in complete view.. Thanks a lot too, to Erik and David. These are more pictorial post of such hilts...

GANJAWULUNG

Battara · 5th July 2009, 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ganjawulung

I would like to thank you too, if you wish to share too, your pictures on such hilts. I believe, there are still more such hilts all around here...

Well this is the only rakshasha hilt I have - ivory, gold, and Balinese:

A. G. Maisey · 6th July 2009, 12:48 AM

Good idea David.

I'd forgotten that we'd been down this road before, if I'd remembered I would not have started walking along it again.

Royston · 8th July 2009, 07:59 PM

These are my ones

Roy

4th July 2009, 03:13 AM	#1
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	RAKSASA & Buta Bajang Figure Hilts Dear All, Again, this was just an intermezzo. Just call it a weekender keris sight-seeing. Just want to share with you, pictures of what many of you call such hilts as -- raksasa hilts. Or, "buta bajang" hilts, whatever. Really I don't have the "pakem" book yet on such hilts. I would like to thank you too, if you wish to share too, your pictures on such hilts. I believe, there are still more such hilts all around here... GANJAWULUNG Attached Images

4th July 2009, 03:15 AM	#2
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	CLOSE ups of one of them Here are close ups on one of them... GANJAWULUNG Attached Images

4th July 2009, 03:19 AM	#3
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	MORE Close ups on other hilts Some of them are not like "buta" or "raksasa", but like figures of Javanese wayang... GANJAWULUNG Attached Images

4th July 2009, 05:21 AM	#4
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,047	Nice handles Pak G. You're right, it is a pity we do not have any guide book relating to this form of hilt. I've posted some rough pics of a few of mine, but really, I don't know if they strictly fit the parameters or not --- but I'm certain that they fit the "whatever" classification. Attached Images

4th July 2009, 12:26 PM	#5
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	MUDRA? Thanks a lot, Alan for sharing your fantastic "butas"... Is there any thing to tell on some of their 'gesture'. Any 'speculation' idea on the "mudra", the special gesture of their hands and fingers maybe? GANJAWULUNG

4th July 2009, 01:28 PM	#6
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	My favourite kind of keris hilt! In the late Karsten Sejr-Jensen´s book and CD there is an analysis of the mudra signs etc. Here are some of mine. Michael Attached Images

4th July 2009, 02:41 PM	#7
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,047	Sorry Pak Ganja, this is an area that I know virtually nothing about. Supposedly many of these figures are found in the pralambapada mudra, but my knowledge is insufficient for me to confirm this, or to speculate upon the reason, if indeed they are. It has been suggested to me by a Chinese academic who teaches in this area of knowledge that perhaps these mudras are not so accurately portrayed and that to truly interpret them might be more than a little difficult. These hilts are probably very fertile ground for some serious research.

6th July 2009, 12:48 AM	#10
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,047	Good idea David. I'd forgotten that we'd been down this road before, if I'd remembered I would not have started walking along it again.

8th July 2009, 07:59 PM	#11
Royston Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Poole England Posts: 443	A couple more These are my ones Roy Attached Images

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