BANGKINANG & BAHARI kerises?

Sajen · 29th June 2009, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ganjawulung

My Goodness,
... anytime if I want to see good examples of keris panjang, then I must go to Europe. Not to Suimatra anymore.

Thanks Erik, and Sajen for the picture sharing.

GANJAWULUNG

Dear Pak Ganja,

nothing to thank. And your examples also very nice.

sajen

erikscollectables · 29th June 2009, 08:20 PM

Pak Ganja also many thanks to you for sharing these great examples!
One question my example had a ship made of horn, not wood.
Is this common with the crescent shaped ships?
The ukiran is of wood which I think in most examples is made of horn?

Regards, Erik

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Originally Posted by Sajen

Dear Pak Ganja,

nothing to thank. And your examples also very nice.

sajen

Sajen · 29th June 2009, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by erikscollectables

Pak Ganja also many thanks to you for sharing these great examples!
One question my example had a ship made of horn, not wood.
Is this common with the crescent shaped ships?
The ukiran is of wood which I think in most examples is made of horn?

Regards, Erik

Hello Erik,

no, it isn't found so much that the wrangka is from horn, a second reason to buy it. And yes, the handles most of the time from horn.
My both big examples have handles from horn while the wrangkas from wood.

Regards,

sajen

ganjawulung · 30th June 2009, 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by erikscollectables

One question my example had a ship made of horn, not wood.
Is this common with the crescent shaped ships?
The ukiran is of wood which I think in most examples is made of horn?

Ship? Do you mean the upper part of the sheath? IMHO, the common material is wood. But I have some upper-part warangkas which are made of horn, with fine grain. Not Sumatran warangka, but Tegal upper-part of warangkas (without gandars -- pictures below).

My keris panjang's handle is made of (buffalo) horn too...

GANJAWULUNG

VVV · 4th July 2009, 02:35 PM

Interesting,

Here is an anak alang with the ship made of rhino horn and
the simle hilt repaired.

Michael

Sajen · 4th July 2009, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by VVV

Interesting,

Here is an anak alang with the ship made of rhino horn and
the simle hilt repaired.

Michael

Very unsual hilt-repair, never seen something like this before.

sajen

BluErf · 5th July 2009, 03:57 AM

I've seen repairs like this done in the peninsula. Yes, I have always found such repairs to result in unusual looks.

A. G. Maisey · 5th July 2009, 06:27 AM

I have not been following this thread, but I've just scanned through it and noticed my name.

Kai, I do not know anything much about this subject, and I do not like to speculate, or really, even to comment unless I can back up what I say, so I have said nothing about the keris form being discussed here.

Yes, I do have quite a few of these keris, they are not all straight, several are waved, they are not all without pamor, the blade styles vary from what is shown here through to distinctly Bugis and Javanese blades. One I have is the state execution keris of Brunei dating from 1842, and it is like a very slim Moro keris. Scabbard styles vary from the typical Peninsula ones shown here to Bugis, Jawa, and unidentified.

I am inclined to think that this long blade style was probably pretty widely spread throughout S.E. Asia.

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5th July 2009, 03:57 AM	#7
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	I've seen repairs like this done in the peninsula. Yes, I have always found such repairs to result in unusual looks.

5th July 2009, 06:27 AM	#8
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,164	I have not been following this thread, but I've just scanned through it and noticed my name. Kai, I do not know anything much about this subject, and I do not like to speculate, or really, even to comment unless I can back up what I say, so I have said nothing about the keris form being discussed here. Yes, I do have quite a few of these keris, they are not all straight, several are waved, they are not all without pamor, the blade styles vary from what is shown here through to distinctly Bugis and Javanese blades. One I have is the state execution keris of Brunei dating from 1842, and it is like a very slim Moro keris. Scabbard styles vary from the typical Peninsula ones shown here to Bugis, Jawa, and unidentified. I am inclined to think that this long blade style was probably pretty widely spread throughout S.E. Asia.