Keris blade

[Rick]

From what I can see it looks nicely executed .
I like the ada ada and the strongly defined work in the sorsoran .

Any ideas yourself, Ferry ?
E. Jawa ?

[Sajen]

Thank you Rick for comment. Yes, my guess is also East Java. The long ada ada I also like. Any ideas which dapur this can be?

Detlef

[ganjawulung]

Ferry,
Regarding the ricikan (details) of your keris, that has a sekar kacang, tikel alis, two sogokan (front and rear), sraweyan, greneng and mainly with ada-ada (a little bit gigir lembu) -- then it has characteristics of keris of dhapur "panimbal". The problem is, panimbal usually has two lambe gajah. But yours has only one...

GANJAWULUNG

[Sajen]

Dear Pak Ganja,

maybe I am completly wrong, but Panimbal don't have a lambe gajah, or?

PS: my name is Detlef and not Ferry.

[ganjawulung]

Originally Posted by Sajen

maybe I am completly wrong, but Panimbal don't have a lambe gajah, or?

PS: my name is Detlef and not Ferry.

I apologize, Detlef for the wrong mentioning of your name... Panimbal usually has lambe gajah. Even there are two different opinions on this. Either one (Mr Haryono Guritno, for instance) or two lambe gajah (Mr Harsrinuksmo)... You may check also in "Dhapur" book which based on Pangeran Hadiwidjojo's sources....

GANJAWULUNG

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by ganjawulung

I apologize, Detlef for the wrong mentioning of your name... Panimbal usually has lambe gajah. Even there are two different opinions on this. Either one (Mr Haryono Guritno, for instance) or two lambe gajah (Mr Harsrinuksmo)... You may check also in "Dhapur" book which based on Pangeran Hadiwidjojo's sources....

GANJAWULUNG

Dear Ganjawulung,

you are right, Haryono Guritno describe it with one lambe gajah and all features you write before. I check my sources and now I am complete confused. Tammens for example describe it without sekar kacang and without lambe gajah (this don't mean so much, it's not the first mistake I found by him). But the same like he describe in his first book I found by picture in the new book "The Javanese Kris" from Groneman on page 167 from an old source from 1859, a drawing described as "dapoer Paniembal" also without sekar kacang and lambe gajah. So Tammens maybe use this old source? And what is now correct for dapur Panimbal? It's a big different if a keris have sekar kacang or not! If there are one or two lambe gajah maybe already essential for a correct description of a dapur but if there a sekar kacang or not, this is a complete different dapur!!!

sajen

[A. G. Maisey]

In my opinion, not a Javanese blade.

That is not a Javanese ada-ada, the ron dha is abysmal, but the overall garap is Bali --- and the length:- 16"? Jawa? Nggak.

I reckon this is a Lombok blade --- they seem to like those funny sticky up ada - ada.

[ferrylaki]

Originally Posted by Rick

From what I can see it looks nicely executed .
I like the ada ada and the strongly defined work in the sorsoran .

Any ideas yourself, Ferry ?
E. Jawa ?

This is looks like an unfinished keris for me. you can see there are so many areas with clumsy tool mark. the sraweyan is not smooth(need more work on this), the pijetan/blumbangan, the gandik, the sirah cecak, another hours of smoothing job would make it beautifull.

FERRYLAKI

[A. G. Maisey]

Its finished Ferry --- according to the man who made it.

Its just not finished to a high standard. Don't forget that very often a lowly keris will be made with very limited tools. The final finishing was often done with pieces of stone or terra cotta, and the final polish with ground terra cotta and water, or ground coral and water.

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by ferrylaki

This is looks like an unfinished keris for me. you can see there are so many areas with clumsy tool mark. the sraweyan is not smooth(need more work on this), the pijetan/blumbangan, the gandik, the sirah cecak, another hours of smoothing job would make it beautifull.

FERRYLAKI

Dear Ferrylaki,

I think it is difficult to see it clearly on the pictures from the seller, it is an old blade and what we see is maybe only corrosion. The blade have had maybe harder corrosion and is repolished and this not smooth?
I will try to make better pics when I hold it in my hands.

sajen

[Sajen]

Hello,

received the blade and it seems to my eyes that the not smooth finish of the blade is a mixture between a really not smooth finish of the blade and maybe a grit blasting and cleaning with crude tools to remove corrosion from a former owner of the blade. You can see many cratches from a file at the blade and unevennesses at the complete blade what let me think that the blade is cleaned by grit/sand blasting one time. It's a shame!

sajen

[A. G. Maisey]

A few hours with wet & dry paper, a light re-etch, and you'll have something pretty OK.

When we buy keris from outside the culture it is not at all unusual to expect to have to do a bit of work to bring them to where they should be.

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

A few hours with wet & dry paper, a light re-etch, and you'll have something pretty OK.

When we buy keris from outside the culture it is not at all unusual to expect to have to do a bit of work to bring them to where they should be.

Yes, it will be a work for rainy and cold days in future and then a search for a nice sarung.

sajen

[ferrylaki]

Originally Posted by Sajen

Yes, it will be a work for rainy and cold days in future and then a search for a nice sarung.

sajen

It looks better in your photograph. look at the pijetan and blumbangan. it still untouched and shows us that it is an old keris. the sogokan loks very fine, the kembang kacang is strong. good luck with the sanding process. you'll find this keris more attractive and beautiful. what style of sarong would you like? 16 inch keris is a little bit longer for a javanese keris, I agree with Alan. or maybe you've already have a warangka for this keris?