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|  17th June 2009, 06:33 PM | #1 | 
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|  19th June 2009, 04:25 PM | #2 | 
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			Hi Spiridonov, Thank you for uploading and sharing these! I like especially the short handgonne barrel (Steinbüchse, firing stone balls); the date is, as you wrote, ca. 1400. Did you happen to photograph at the Hermitage as well? Greetings, Michael | 
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|  20th June 2009, 11:15 PM | #3 | |
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 russian manual wall guns (затинные пищали - zatinni pishals) earli-mid 16 century | |
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|  21st June 2009, 04:11 PM | #4 | 
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			Hi Spiridonov, These are the first good quality images that I have seen of these early Russian guns. The barrels are even older, late 15th century, and were restocked with 'modern' snap tinder lock mechanisms. Thank you so much! Michael | 
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|  21st June 2009, 04:31 PM | #5 | 
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			Hi Spiridonov, Do you happen to have good photos of these guns at the Hermitage Museum? http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=7637 Regards, Michael | 
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|  21st June 2009, 07:24 PM | #6 | 
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			Thank you so much for posting these Spiridonov! These photos of these weapons are fantastic and I cannot say how much it means to have the holdings of these museums shared here.  Michael has for some time presided over fantastic contributions with many photos of his amazing collection and many important items of pertinant artwork, and to have you adding these key Russian museums, the scope of the forum has reached yet another dimension. These wonderful posts, along with the many fantastic contributions of the many other members here sharing their collections and acquisitions present the great opportunities for us all to learn, as always, together. All the very best, Jim | 
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|  22nd June 2009, 04:05 PM | #7 | 
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			Hi Spriridonov, I think Jim put it best for all of us!   For my reply to your query about earliest snap tinder locks please see here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=10278 Best, Michael | 
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|  23rd June 2009, 11:49 AM | #8 | |
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|  23rd June 2009, 11:59 AM | #9 | 
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			very-very small russian barrels from museum of artyllery: 2: end of 14-begin of 15. calibre 12.5 mm. total length 190 mm. weight 0.6 kg 3: from 1475 to 1500. calibre 12.5 mm. total length 215 mm. weight 0.5 kg | 
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