Rare Pilipino Swords....

Spunjer · 1st May 2005, 06:16 PM

ian,
is that a bathead? better yet, and if you don't mind, can you post a "mugshot" of that baby?

Ian · 1st May 2005, 09:20 PM

Ron:

It's just a common variety of Panay demon/deity figure. Pictures are attached below.

Ian.

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Originally Posted by Spunjer

ian,
is that a bathead? better yet, and if you don't mind, can you post a "mugshot" of that baby?

Spunjer · 2nd May 2005, 02:10 AM

thanks ian. i don't think it's a common type, is it? it seems like it's one of those diety hilt that belongs in "Others" category. it's not your typical round head, rhino horn diety like this dude right here ===>

Ian · 2nd May 2005, 04:43 AM

Spunjer:

You're right to ask how common this particular form of deity hilt might be. I really don't know if this style is common. What I meant to say was that it is a deity hilt of the Panay/Negros form, which is a common finding on these older Visayan tenegre.

Ian.

tom hyle · 2nd May 2005, 01:45 PM

I think it's a version of a zoomorphic/deity pommel that is common (the nose horn guy; seen some dispute as to who he is...); this particular form of the stylization is not common to my experience, but the subject is not particularly unusual. There are at least 3 standardized stylizations that, at least to me, all seem to be this same guy.

Conogre · 5th May 2005, 09:43 AM

"Guy"?
Once again, sexism rears its ugly head (no pun intended).
Sorry, but I couldn't resist...while female deities/fetishes are sometimes prominent in African, Indian items and a few Indonesian pieces, I can't think of any in the Muslim tradition or those cultures closely associated with same.
Mike

tom hyle · 5th May 2005, 10:38 AM

These characters seem animistic and related to those used by other nearby peoples, and are probably pre-Islamic and pre-Christian in the area, I would think. Still, I've only heard any of these pommel deities referred to as male, and that could for all I know be a product of the observing culture, or of the observed. Hmmmm................

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1st May 2005, 06:16 PM	#1
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	ian, is that a bathead? better yet, and if you don't mind, can you post a "mugshot" of that baby?

2nd May 2005, 02:10 AM	#3
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	thanks ian. i don't think it's a common type, is it? it seems like it's one of those diety hilt that belongs in "Others" category. it's not your typical round head, rhino horn diety like this dude right here ===>

2nd May 2005, 04:43 AM	#4
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,363	Spunjer: You're right to ask how common this particular form of deity hilt might be. I really don't know if this style is common. What I meant to say was that it is a deity hilt of the Panay/Negros form, which is a common finding on these older Visayan tenegre. Ian.

2nd May 2005, 01:45 PM	#5
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	I think it's a version of a zoomorphic/deity pommel that is common (the nose horn guy; seen some dispute as to who he is...); this particular form of the stylization is not common to my experience, but the subject is not particularly unusual. There are at least 3 standardized stylizations that, at least to me, all seem to be this same guy.

5th May 2005, 09:43 AM	#6
Conogre Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Clearwater, Florida Posts: 371	"Guy"? Once again, sexism rears its ugly head (no pun intended). Sorry, but I couldn't resist...while female deities/fetishes are sometimes prominent in African, Indian items and a few Indonesian pieces, I can't think of any in the Muslim tradition or those cultures closely associated with same. Mike

5th May 2005, 10:38 AM	#7
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	These characters seem animistic and related to those used by other nearby peoples, and are probably pre-Islamic and pre-Christian in the area, I would think. Still, I've only heard any of these pommel deities referred to as male, and that could for all I know be a product of the observing culture, or of the observed. Hmmmm................