A tiny cannon

[katana]

Another cannon Fernando I think you should have a new nickname ....pouco canhão

All the best
David

[celtan]

Now you're getting into deep waters...

: )

Originally Posted by katana

Another cannon Fernando I think you should have a new nickname ....pouco canhão

All the best
David

[fernando]

Originally Posted by celtan

Now you're getting into deep waters... : )

Ah, Manolo.
... and you just popped in to help sinking me

Fernando ... Nando ... canhãozinho

[celtan]

Don't blame me, consider that if you'd just let go of your cannon, then you won't sink.



OTOH, just floating around weaponless would be so boring, not to mention, you wouldn't be able to defend yerself from pirate attacks!

Nasty buggers, those pirates...

Originally Posted by fernando

Ah, Manolo.
... and you just popped in to help sinking me

Fernando ... Nando ... canhãozinho

[Matchlock]

Back to the topic, folks:

Please note how rugged the upper end of the oakwood forestock of the famos Berne gun (ca. 1400) is from pulling over the two iron barrel bands; see image below.

Fernando, if I were you I would not try restocking your cute little barrel. You would have to restore the hook as well which, in my opinion, would harm the barrel surface.

Maybe you will consider exhibiting it together with an image of the Suhl gun. I feel that that would be more convincing from both the curatorial and the collector's point of view.

Best,
Michael

[fernando]

Originally Posted by Matchlock

... if I were you I would not try restocking your cute little barrel. You would have to restore the hook as well which, in my opinion, would harm the barrel surface ...

Duly noted; however if i did it, it would be some digestive set up, made by the handy carpenter around the corner ... no qualified restoring but also no atempt to reproduce that complex hook. Just a raw stock and a simple iron sheet strap holding the barrel ... no agression to the barrel surface.
But your advice will surely be on for a long sedimentation period.

Danksche
Fernando

[Matchlock]

Originally Posted by Matchlock

Back to the topic, folks:

Please note how rugged the upper end of the oakwood forestock of the famos Berne gun (ca. 1400 to early 15th century) is from pulling over the two iron barrel bands; see image below.

Best,
Michael

Grrrr, here is the Berne gun finally

The hook, as I noted several times, is a working amendment of ca. 1430-40.

Michael

[Matchlock]

Three illustrations from a book on warfare by Johann Hartlieb, 1436, showing tiller handguns being aimed by the support of small targes (Austrian State Library Vienna, Cod. 3062).

Ignition is still done manually, by the use of small igniting irons and sometimes by another man, and the short barrel guns do not yet have recoil hooks. This sort of backs up my thesis that hooks did not seem to have appeared before ca. the 1430's-40's.

I owe the images to Ed - thanks, my friend!

Michael

[fernando]

Originally Posted by katana

... I think you should have a new nickname ....pouco canhão ...

Ah, Katana Jones, you Brit; making fun of my humble catches .
Now, where did you get that pouco canhão name? . Let me guess; probably you meant to call me something else and the translating machine tricked you .
You see, the term 'little' translates into two different words in portuguese, whether we speak of 'size' or of 'quantity'. Tou say pouco canhão sounds a bit funny; it would mean something like a bit of cannon, as 'pouco' is little for quantity. Probably you meant to call me little (small, tiny) cannon which, in such case, should be pequeno canhão or, more coloquially, canhãozinho.
I am not sure if i am on the rigt track ... but i thank you for the fondly visit .
Fernando

[fernando]

Hi Michael,
Thanks a lot for the reasoning on the ring fixation and for the hint on dating my barrel, which i duly took note.
... and also many thanks for the (allways) clarifying pictures.
Concerning the ring, obviously the wondering on how logicaly it was fixed, was only a 'reflective reaction'; naturaly the thing worked, otherwise the user should have, in due time, modified it. You're right in that the ring must have been hot welded in a such a manner that it became embodied to the barrel.

Danksche,
Fernando

[katana]

Originally Posted by fernando

Ah, Katana Jones, you Brit; making fun of my humble catches .....
. Let me guess; probably you meant to call me something else and the translating machine tricked you .
You see, the term 'little' translates into two different words in portuguese, whether we speak of 'size' or of 'quantity'. Tou say pouco canhão sounds a bit funny; it would mean something like a bit of cannon, as 'pouco' is little for quantity. Probably you meant to call me little (small, tiny) cannon which, in such case, should be pequeno canhão or, more coloquially, canhãozinho.
I am not sure if i am on the rigt track ... but i thank you for the fondly visit .
Fernando

My good friend Fernando,
you are correct 'Babelfish' did indeed 'let me down' ......and I thought I was being 'clever' Now if everyone spoke English we wouldn't get these mis-interpretations

Another fine addition to your Armoury....are you going to get a stock made for this one ?

Kind Regards David

PS canhãozinho ???........Cannon ?????

[fernando]

Originally Posted by katana

... Now if everyone spoke portuguese we wouldn't get these mis-interpretations ...

You're dead rigt .

Originally Posted by katana

...are you going to get a stock made for this one ?

Mmm ... don't know yet.


Cheers
Fernando