Unknown Pedang Melayu (Malay Sword) ?

Amuk Murugul · 29th May 2009, 09:10 AM

Hullo everybody

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Akum HangPC2.

The sword in your picture apparently follows the katana form. Samurai-type swords were popular among Occidental travellers/'tourists' during the 19thC. This induced some local foundaries in the archipelago to manufacture them. One such enterprise was in the Soenda village of Tjikeroeh (Tatar Soenda/Pasoendan/Parahijangan), which started to produce them in the 1850s. (This tapered off in the 1890s, when Tjikeroeh switched to producing the more-familiar scimitar/sabre/cutlass -style swords.)
During the Japanese occupation, local militias/heiho were allowed to train using real edged-weapons but wooden firearms. Needless to say, a lot of these edged-weapons which were newly-produced, were samurai-type.
I have attached pix of such swords in my collection (apologies for the poor quality).The one on top is inscribed in Arabic along the blade and date-stamped 1945-46. The bottom one has the guard embossed with GPII (Gerakan Pemoeda Islam Indonesia) and dated 1946.

Best,

HangPC2 · 4th July 2009, 10:24 AM

Pedang DiRaja (Malaysia Royal Regalia Sword)

Sources : http://www.malaysianmonarchy.org.my/....php?id=rk4_11

ausjulius · 5th July 2009, 07:43 PM

i think the japanese stype dates far back as ive seen very old japanese swordswith thai and burmese fittings, and the fittings look several 100 years old, also phillipine swords with japanese blades.. i can imagine that at one point japanese traders and mercenaries and pirates were common all over eastern asia.
many vietnamese swords use japanese blades also.
to be honest although in the past the japanese imported korean and chinese blades .. it seems a long time back the japanese surpassed the chinese in the export of their blades. as you can see many chinese swords with japanese blades also, or japanese style and japanese blades seem far more common in south east asia than chinese.
i suppose after ww2 all the "jap towns" in asia were pretty much destroyed by the local populations and so there is little evidence of these once numerous japanese settlements

VVV · 7th July 2009, 08:43 PM

Then we have this East Sumatran sword - Pelitai(?).
I have always thought that its blade was inspired by a japanese sword.

Michael

HangPC2 · 14th July 2009, 07:04 AM

Sources : http://malay-souvenirs.blogspot.com/

http://www.geocities.com/keris4u/

http://old.blades.free.fr/home.htm

http://artmelayu.blogspot.com/

HangPC2 · 20th August 2009, 04:51 AM

Pedang

From Malaysian State '' Negeri Kedah Darul Aman ''

VVV · 20th August 2009, 12:34 PM

It seems to be a variation of the more universal pedang design?
Btw, does 19th C blades from Kedah have any special, local features?
I never noticed it myself when I was there in the early 90´s.

Michael

29th May 2009, 09:10 AM	#1
Amuk Murugul Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Kaboejoetan Galoenggoeng Mélben Posts: 472	Hullo everybody, Akum HangPC2. The sword in your picture apparently follows the katana form. Samurai-type swords were popular among Occidental travellers/'tourists' during the 19thC. This induced some local foundaries in the archipelago to manufacture them. One such enterprise was in the Soenda village of Tjikeroeh (Tatar Soenda/Pasoendan/Parahijangan), which started to produce them in the 1850s. (This tapered off in the 1890s, when Tjikeroeh switched to producing the more-familiar scimitar/sabre/cutlass -style swords.) During the Japanese occupation, local militias/heiho were allowed to train using real edged-weapons but wooden firearms. Needless to say, a lot of these edged-weapons which were newly-produced, were samurai-type. I have attached pix of such swords in my collection (apologies for the poor quality).The one on top is inscribed in Arabic along the blade and date-stamped 1945-46. The bottom one has the guard embossed with GPII (Gerakan Pemoeda Islam Indonesia) and dated 1946. Best, Attached Images

7th July 2009, 08:43 PM	#4
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Then we have this East Sumatran sword - Pelitai(?). I have always thought that its blade was inspired by a japanese sword. Michael Attached Images

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4th July 2009, 10:24 AM	#2
HangPC2 Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Malaysia Posts: 66	Pedang DiRaja (Malaysia Royal Regalia Sword) Sources : http://www.malaysianmonarchy.org.my/....php?id=rk4_11

5th July 2009, 07:43 PM	#3
ausjulius Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: musorian territory Posts: 438	i think the japanese stype dates far back as ive seen very old japanese swordswith thai and burmese fittings, and the fittings look several 100 years old, also phillipine swords with japanese blades.. i can imagine that at one point japanese traders and mercenaries and pirates were common all over eastern asia. many vietnamese swords use japanese blades also. to be honest although in the past the japanese imported korean and chinese blades .. it seems a long time back the japanese surpassed the chinese in the export of their blades. as you can see many chinese swords with japanese blades also, or japanese style and japanese blades seem far more common in south east asia than chinese. i suppose after ww2 all the "jap towns" in asia were pretty much destroyed by the local populations and so there is little evidence of these once numerous japanese settlements

14th July 2009, 07:04 AM	#5
HangPC2 Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Malaysia Posts: 66	Sources : http://malay-souvenirs.blogspot.com/ http://www.geocities.com/keris4u/ http://old.blades.free.fr/home.htm http://artmelayu.blogspot.com/

20th August 2009, 04:51 AM	#6
HangPC2 Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Malaysia Posts: 66	Pedang From Malaysian State '' Negeri Kedah Darul Aman ''

20th August 2009, 12:34 PM	#7
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	It seems to be a variation of the more universal pedang design? Btw, does 19th C blades from Kedah have any special, local features? I never noticed it myself when I was there in the early 90´s. Michael