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|  15th February 2009, 06:28 PM | #1 | 
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			Plus a few good items from Christie's December 2006 sale, together with the results. Michael | 
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|  15th February 2009, 08:45 PM | #2 | 
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			The basic shape of the earliest patrons of the 1550's is of course based upon the design of the Late Gothic quivers for crossbow bolts/quarrels. Michael | 
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|  16th February 2009, 05:06 PM | #3 | 
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			Completely amazing Michael!!! Up until now I had never heard of one of these, let alone ever seen one. Sort of a medieval 'banana clip'  It seems that the problem of reloading, especially quickly in the heat of battle is a dynamic that is not often considered in the historical review of many of these events. Interesting too that these 'ammunition' items kept the basic structure of the quivers for bolts or arrows. It has been fascinating seeing the various multiple chambered firearms, and curiosa such as combination weapons with blade and gun. I think this overall review of all the interesting aspects of firearms esoterica is great as Michael continues to present here is the best, sort of a themed museum display home delivered !!! Thank you so much Michael!!! All the best, Jim | 
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|  16th February 2009, 06:11 PM | #4 | 
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			Hi Jim, Thank you so much for appreciating my contributions! I will post some more images of cartridge boxes/patrons from my collection. All the best, Michael | 
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|  16th February 2009, 06:26 PM | #5 | 
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			Some cartridge boxes from the reseve collection of the German Historic Museum Berlin and my collection. The one with the bone linlays Nuremberg, ca. 1575, and the blued one with the leather covered body Suhl, ca. 1585, both in my collection. The etched Saxon patrons dated 1587 and 1589 repectively and the paper cartridges at the GHM Berlin. Michael | 
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|  16th February 2009, 06:33 PM | #6 | 
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			These two etched Saxon patrons dated 1587 and 1589 repectively and the paper cartridges at the reserve collection of the German Historic Museum Berlin. Michael | 
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|  16th February 2009, 06:35 PM | #7 | 
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