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Might be 10/30 years this one heavely acid to make it look older .
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Bali again ?
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Maybe coffee or thee to darken it like your skull ![]() ![]() Ben |
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The blade is very bad misused with wateracid they use in an car battery to hide the real age we see this a lot mostly bring back from dutch army guys in the 50 to make it look better put in an decent scabbard an nice hilt on it . It also looks that they use kachelpotlood on it I don t now the Enghlis worth for it If an kris that is real nice one it has better treathment so there is nothing to hide and no use off aggressive acid needed . Here an pic off 2 kris that are recently washed on the right way Ben |
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Does anybody have any serious comment on the age of this washed down 11/10 luk blade ? maybe on basis of dapur ? |
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Agree with David, Battara and Alamshah... A "sabuk inten" (dhapur), 11 waves but the tip is a little bit worn away.
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The relevant is to show that your kris is worn away and even that an rusty kris don't have the pitting and black made color on the kris like yours and that it could be that your kris had one wave more. Ben |
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![]() I think we are all aware that new blades often get artificial age treatments, but frankly i personally find it rather difficult to tell based on the photo that Willem has provided. I have a few old soldiers in my collection that have pitted blades (and i am sure they have real age) so i don't think that is a fair indicator of deception. If i were to assume this is indeed an old blade i would say that it has a pamor made with non-contrasting materials which would account for the dark color of the blade over all. New blades are artificially aged for different reasons. Sometimes it is to deceive, but often it is just because it is the style, a look which is trying to be achieved. Of course, when that is the case the blade would not be eroded as badly as this one. Since this is not a particularly rare or valuable pamor or dhapur (unless i am missing something), i see little reason why someone would purposefully do this much damage to it to try to pass it off as old. Over-washed, worn out blades like this don't usually get too much money and if it was recently made i would image the maker could get just as much if not more if the blade were pristine with less work involved. But then perhaps i am speaking from a logic that just does not apply. ![]() |
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Hi David the money they get for it would be a reason they have to work 12 hours for when they get good money 500,000.00 till 600,000.00 an month.
30 till 40 euro an month if you have an good job so they do everything to make money I see there at one store at least 500 new made Balinese kris blade from very good quality that it was for me difficult to see are they old or not . He offered me an nice Balinese kris golden Handle with gemstone Ivory scabbard mouth golden half open pendok old blade (it wasn't an old blade but they made it look old with an very nice pamor) for 2500.00 dollar it was so nice made that I was thinking off buying it but I did not want to have trouble with the dutch customs when I get back about the ivory so I leave it there. They can make real good stuff overthere but also the make junk for the tourist. The problem is that the tourist buy the junk stuff so they will produce it . The hilt is tridagna not ivory the blade was very rusty when I did get it just cleaned a litte bit before the first wash after the next wash it will dissapear . Ben |
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