Can anyone read Japanese?

Atlantia · 4th January 2009, 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stekemest

Well, it doesn't look too old to me. Probably late edo to meiji, 1800-1900. Unfortunately, I haven't had much to do with kagami, so I can't really date it...
stm

Well, some years ago I bought it at a car boot sale from a chap who was selling a collection of brass items hed collected over many years, I didn't even initially notice it as I was looking at some Hindu figures and when I did spot it I didn't have a clue what it was but liked the hue of the metal. Once I figured out it must be a mirror I thought it would probobly be a souvenier from during the occupation!
So really any older than that is a bonus! lol

Gene

migueldiaz · 5th January 2009, 01:34 AM

Hi Gene,

You're most welcome and the pleasure is mine too

Ok, I've just received the response of my Japanese friend, and this is direct from Tokyo and this would supplement what Stekemest and Drdavid have mentioned --

He says that the name of the manufacturer is inscribed at the backside of the mirror. I'll ask him later to elaborate on this.

He also "guesses" that the mirror was made around 110 to 200 years ago. Don't know whether "110" was a typo and whether he meant "100".

As for the 10 characters, his preliminary reading is: [a] 1st to 3rd Kanji is "TENKA ICHI"; [b] 6th to 7th Kanji is "INBA"; and [c] 9th to 10th Kanji is "SHIGE YOSHI".

Again I'll ask him later what would be the English translation and/or transliteration of the above.

More later ...

celtan · 5th January 2009, 05:36 AM

I though that kanji were identical for japanese and chinese, the difference being how they are pronounced, that is, the sounds associated to them.

stekemest · 5th January 2009, 10:25 AM

That's right celtan, but the combination of characters (as the grammar etc) differ. And Chinese mirrors look totally different; more ornamental (as everything else in Chinese decorative art).
"SHIGE", that's interesting. But I still wonder what that tree/second/mura-combination means. Still guess it's a name.

stm

Freddy · 5th January 2009, 04:54 PM

I asked Chieko, the Japanese wife of a distant relative, and she came up with the following translation :

From top to bottom she reads 11 characters

1 = TEN

2 = KA

3 = ICHI

4 & 5 = MATSU

6 = MURA

7 = INA

8 = BA

9 = KAMI

10 = SHIGE

11 = YOSHI

The two last characters are the maker's first name : SHIGEYOSHI.

INABA is the name of the town or village, which is now called TOTTORI

She thinks this piece was made between 1626 an 1747. Some of the chararcters used on this mirror are old characters from the Edo-period.

Atlantia · 5th January 2009, 07:23 PM

Wow! You all deserve a huge pat on the back for this sterling work gentlemen.
Welcome Manuel

Freddy! Thats amazing thank you!!! 17th/18thC is a huge suprise! And a VERY good one of course

Anyone want to try a full english translation?

Kind Regards
Gene

stekemest · 5th January 2009, 07:26 PM

Why does she think between 1626 and 1747?

I'd understand if she said 17th/18th century (though I'd still think it's not that old), but why those dates?

stm

celtan · 6th January 2009, 11:14 PM

Hi Gene et al,

Thanks for the kind welcome.

Sorry, I forget to sign my name every so often. Best regards to y'all.

: )

Manuel Luis

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atlantia

Wow! You all deserve a huge pat on the back for this sterling work gentlemen.
Welcome Manuel

Freddy! Thats amazing thank you!!! 17th/18thC is a huge suprise! And a VERY good one of course

Anyone want to try a full english translation?

Kind Regards
Gene

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5th January 2009, 01:34 AM	#2
migueldiaz Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Manila, Phils. Posts: 1,042	Hi Gene, You're most welcome and the pleasure is mine too Ok, I've just received the response of my Japanese friend, and this is direct from Tokyo and this would supplement what Stekemest and Drdavid have mentioned -- He says that the name of the manufacturer is inscribed at the backside of the mirror. I'll ask him later to elaborate on this. He also "guesses" that the mirror was made around 110 to 200 years ago. Don't know whether "110" was a typo and whether he meant "100". As for the 10 characters, his preliminary reading is: [a] 1st to 3rd Kanji is "TENKA ICHI"; [b] 6th to 7th Kanji is "INBA"; and [c] 9th to 10th Kanji is "SHIGE YOSHI". Again I'll ask him later what would be the English translation and/or transliteration of the above. More later ...

5th January 2009, 05:36 AM	#3
celtan Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: PR, USA Posts: 679	I though that kanji were identical for japanese and chinese, the difference being how they are pronounced, that is, the sounds associated to them.

5th January 2009, 10:25 AM	#4
stekemest Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Heidelberg, Germany Posts: 183	That's right celtan, but the combination of characters (as the grammar etc) differ. And Chinese mirrors look totally different; more ornamental (as everything else in Chinese decorative art). "SHIGE", that's interesting. But I still wonder what that tree/second/mura-combination means. Still guess it's a name. stm

5th January 2009, 04:54 PM	#5
Freddy Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sint-Amandsberg (near Ghent, Belgium) Posts: 830	I asked Chieko, the Japanese wife of a distant relative, and she came up with the following translation : From top to bottom she reads 11 characters 1 = TEN 2 = KA 3 = ICHI 4 & 5 = MATSU 6 = MURA 7 = INA 8 = BA 9 = KAMI 10 = SHIGE 11 = YOSHI The two last characters are the maker's first name : SHIGEYOSHI. INABA is the name of the town or village, which is now called TOTTORI She thinks this piece was made between 1626 an 1747. Some of the chararcters used on this mirror are old characters from the Edo-period.

5th January 2009, 07:23 PM	#6
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Wow! You all deserve a huge pat on the back for this sterling work gentlemen. Welcome Manuel Freddy! Thats amazing thank you!!! 17th/18thC is a huge suprise! And a VERY good one of course Anyone want to try a full english translation? Kind Regards Gene

5th January 2009, 07:26 PM	#7
stekemest Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Heidelberg, Germany Posts: 183	Why does she think between 1626 and 1747? I'd understand if she said 17th/18th century (though I'd still think it's not that old), but why those dates? stm