More info about Atjeh weapons?

[asomotif]

Nice and cosy Aceh 'get together'

Welcome Erik !

Some time ago we had a discussion about the combi of inlay and golden crowns.
I see that Erik also has a Sikin with gold inlay and a buffalo horn hilt showing remains of a golden crown. Same as Kai's rencong and Fernando's Sikin.

Ps. does anyone have an Aceh sewar in their collection ?

[kai]

Hello Willem,

I see that Erik also has a Sikin with gold inlay and a buffalo horn hilt showing remains of a golden crown. Same as Kai's rencong and Fernando's Sikin.

Yup, I noticed that, too.

I think we're getting a convincing pattern here. (4 examples and counting...)

Ps. does anyone have an Aceh sewar in their collection ?

With gold/suassa decoration?

I think that Fig. 70B in Jean Greffioz's keris book shows an interesting rencong/sewar intermediate.

Regards,
Kai

[Dajak]

[Some time ago we had a discussion about the combi of inlay and golden crowns.
I see that Erik also has a Sikin with gold inlay and a buffalo horn hilt showing remains of a golden crown. Same as Kai's rencong and Fernando s skin

You should get some better glasses Willem we can see here where the points

have been on the handle with fernando s one does not have this .


Ben

[asomotif]

Hi Ben

I thought you installed the ignore function

Not all decoration is pointy are they

[Gonzalo G]

I only want to thank RhysMichael and Mandaukudi you for all this references, links ans files. This support to a fellow collector is exemplar. I am not lucky enough to have this kind of weapons, but I least I collect information and photos.
Regards

Gonzalo

[RhysMichael]

Originally Posted by Gonzalo G

I only want to thank RhysMichael and Mandaukudi you for all this references, links ans files. This support to a fellow collector is exemplar. I am not lucky enough to have this kind of weapons, but I least I collect information and photos.
Regards

Gonzalo

I cannot take credit for most of what I shared. I did stumble on some of it on my own but the vast majority came from folks here on this forum that were willing so share with me. So I am just carrying on the tradition they started.

[Dajak]

Originally Posted by asomotif

Hi Ben

I thought you installed the ignore function

Not all decoration is pointy are they

Yes maybe not pointy but if they had the gold ferrule always see the marks

If you buy this year your glasses you will be payed by the tax off the gouverment 823.00 euro x 113 % you will get it back in may 2009

so you buy new glasses and get back more from the Dutch gouverment .

This is the last year that it is possible . (this is for all the Dutch people or people that pay tax in the Netherlands)

An nice tip from me


Ben

[VVV]

Originally Posted by asomotif

...Ps. does anyone have an Aceh sewar in their collection ?

I have a couple but the only one with crowns is this one which is later than the other crowned blades.
Its blade isn't so exciting as it needs some more cleaning.

Michael

[Dajak]

Originally Posted by VVV

I have a couple but the only one with crowns is this one which is later than the other crowned blades.
Its blade isn't so exciting as it needs some more cleaning.

Michael

Very nice one Michael

Is there something you don't have

Ben

[Mick]

I know that Michael remembers this one (and others like it), but the rest of you all might not have seen it.


http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...highlight=mick

[asomotif]

1st :
Michael,
Very nice sewar. Is it silver ?
This is something that you really don't see often.
But still I think I like rencong better.

2nd :
Ben,

but if they had the gold ferrule always see the marks

Here is the thread : http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...highlight=aceh
and I am boroughing Fernando's pciture just for this thread.
For the record, Ben, you think this is not a mark from a missing ferrule.
Then I assume you regard this as a normal way of finishing the handle of a sikin

[Dajak]

Yes this is seen many times .

it is beter you go to groeneveld



Ben

[asomotif]

Yes this is seen many times .

it is beter you go to groeneveld

Does Groeneveld have sikins like this ?
Groeneveld, is that a collector or a museum ?
It sounds more like a opticien

Went to specsaver this summer, vision is perfectly fine.
I rest my case

[VVV]

Originally Posted by asomotif

1st :
Michael,
Very nice sewar. Is it silver ?
This is something that you really don't see often.
But still I think I like rencong better.

Willem,

It's guilt silver. I also like the rencong better.
Here is my favourite version of crowns, gold and enamel.

Michael

[erikscollectables]

Okay with the risk of getting in the middle of a "fight" I'll give my opinion on Fernando's Sikin.

I think it did have a ferrule but not the pointed crown type or "poetjo" in Kreemers book (as on the rentjong in my photo) but a double crown of the "gloepa" or flower type according to Kreemer as the gold and suassa crown in my photo. Hence no points visible. It also explains the smalle size of the handle near the blade as Fernando already pointed out.

The "decoration" of the handle never continues on the location of the crown as far as I know now. I have seen a couple of dislocated crowns and those never have a decoration underneath.

My sikin with goldwork inlay clearly had a crown of the gloepa type, most likely a triple crown at that.
I recently have seen a great example with the same inlay type but also the crown still there! A "brother" of my sikin so to say.

Regards, Erik

[erikscollectables]

Michael,

I am glad I do not have to make a choice here, both examples are really superb! Thanks for sharing!

Erik

Originally Posted by VVV

Willem,

It's guilt silver. I also like the rencong better.
Here is my favourite version of crowns, gold and enamel.

Michael