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1st December 2008, 06:00 PM | #1 |
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Richard,
The buttstock of the GNM harquebus has indeed suffered from being left standing upright for a very long time. So did the buttstock of my Kronburg wall piece that was found, together with several others, standing upright on a board in a bricked up room at Schloss Kronburg during renovation work in 1953. Actually, the upper portions of the lime wood butt stocks of both my 1539 and my ca. 1540 Straubing matchlock harquebuses are somewhat damaged as well from being kept in an upright position and probably put down hard and carelessly again and again for too long. Your remarks on the swamped and decorated muzzle sections are extremely important, thank you. There are two main reasons for that shape of muzzle sections that were in use even with 18th century sporting rifles: - A reinforcement of the muzzle portion by swamping added both to the barrel's stability in firing heavy loads and to the handling and balance of the gun - As the earliest barrels are from the Mid and Late Gothic periods (14th-15th centuries), their overall form closely corresponded to e.g. that of the Gothic and 16th century architectural columns: six or eight sided first, with reinforced base and top, then, from the late 1500's, round and staged. Actually, most wall pieces were intended to be aimed and fired from the shoulder, with a second man ingniting the piece through the touch hole (Richt- und Feuerschütze). The hook helped absorb the recoil. When you look at the buttstock of my Kronburg wall piece the early fishtail shape indented for the sholuder clearly suggests the way it was heald. Must I add that your notes are very inspiring to me? Thank you so much, I'll tip my next Bavarian dark beer to you overe there! Michael |
1st December 2008, 06:18 PM | #2 |
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For the buttstock of my 1520's Schloss Kronburg wall piece, indented for the shoulder, please go to
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=7419 I also attach details of the slightly damaged tips of the limewood buttstocks of my 1539 and ca. 1540 matchlock harquebuses, as well as of the specific damage of the tip of my Kronburg wall piece. Michael |
1st December 2008, 09:05 PM | #3 |
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16th century screws
Richard,
I have to say that your remarks on the incorrect form of the replaced screws on the GNM 1539 harquebus are extremely appreciated: You have really got THE eye, buddy! Of course, their heads and patina should look like in my almost identical piece - great! I did some close study in early screws from my pieces and detached samples in my collection some twenty years ago and would like to post them soon, disregarding the fact that they are analog pics - btw, so are most of my pics that I shared with the forum ... Michael |
1st December 2008, 09:19 PM | #4 |
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Two men needed to aim and fire a 500 year old wall piece
From the Maximilianische Zeugbücher (Maximilian arsenal inventory books), ca. 1507, and posted in earlier threads, depicting both the aiming man (Richtschütze) and the firing one (Feuerschütze) at work.
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2nd December 2008, 06:11 AM | #5 |
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Thank you for answering my questions, Michael.
Is there a reason for the muzzle of the brass barrel from Innsbruck/The Tyrol being half-round, right at the muzzle?.........purely decoration? I just went to your thread re. the Schloss Kronburg wall piece, and found it very fascinating, how it and other arms survived bricked up in a small room for hundreds of years! Finding something like that is the stuff of dreams! It is good that the wall-pieces were stood on a thick plank, and not on a damp floor. May I ask if your Landsknecht's harquebus of 1539 is meant to be fired from the shoulder?.....I think not, but do not really know! Re. the slightly damaged butt-stocks, I would suppose that a form of butt-plate would be quite an early invention, as the constant up-and- down in loading, and just carrying and setting dowm, would soon leave their mark. That these pieces have survived with such small amounts of damage after all these years, is truly remarkable! Thank you for tha additional pictures, and links! Very best wishes, Richard. |
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Richard,
The half rounded muzzle is an ornament characteristic of the 1520's-1530's and disappears right after. The stock of my 1539 harquebus is definitely apt to be fired from the shoulder; please study the Nürnberg illustration of 1532 posted again below - it depicts almost the same kind of stock. On the other hand there are historic illustrations showing harquebuses being held freely in front of the breast or even the belly well up to mid 16th century. So these short guns were handled either way. We sometimes even see them put on top of the shoulder, which actually hardly makes any sense. Actually, the first butt-plates appeared in the 1530's and were made of bone, like in crossbows, but only for high quality decorated pieces. Plain military guns were generally made without butt-stock protection up to the early 17th century although in some cases we find iron butt-plates as early as the 1580's. They seem to have become standardized widely only by the beginning of the Thirty Years War, though. Btw, I started a thread on its own on the aiming of guns in late 15th to mid 16th century illustrations. Michael |
3rd December 2008, 03:41 PM | #7 |
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Thanks for your reply, Michael.
In the pictures above, I could not decide if the stock was being held against the shoulder or not. To me, it looked short, as though it was being held in the hands, and not against the shoulder. This may be just the artists impression, and makes it rather difficult to say for sure. If your gun is long enough in the stock to fit aginst the shoulder, then this is very good information to have! (even if the stock is rather short for a modern man,,,) A Q. re. the rests the guns are fired from in the above paintings; I see in each of the pictures, the plank of the rest is half-lapped in the centre, and bound with iron. Do you know if they were joined such as an aid in transporting them? I cannot think they each had a join like this simply because the planks were too short. Thank you again for your time! Richard. |
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