Found it in Maui

[kino]

Howzit Spunjer,

I get chicken skin now. Maybe my anting-anting will protect me. Went to the Bishop Museum but did not see any Moro weapons. A section was closed off due to construction. They get plenny Oceanic clubs, spears and shields.
Antique Alley get choke things for sale but no Moro sandata. Kahuku store get 2 touristy Kris'.

David, the Madurese hilted Keris, scabbard doesn't fit well.

Alan, thanks for the info. I knew they had some age to them, but not too keen on spotting quality.

An additional photo of the blade with the holes. It seems to be spltting apart.

[asomotif]

The Kocetan hilt is very nice and that one has a splendid pamor too.

Worth to get a better (balinese) pendogkok / selut

And the madurese hilt is very nice too as a single piece on a small stand

Best regards,
Willem

[kulbuntet]

Bali Blade looks great. dwi warna pamor? Maybe little bit small, Hindu javanese Empu?

[David]

Originally Posted by kulbuntet

Bali Blade looks great. dwi warna pamor? Maybe little bit small, Hindu javanese Empu?

Hard to catch up with you Kulbuntet. You seem omnipresent, you appear to be posting everywhere at once.
Anyway, welcome to the forum.
I have at least one small Bali keris (less than 33 cm.). I don't think that there is any Javanese influence in the size though. Bali keris are generally larger than Javanese, but exceptions always exist.

[kulbuntet]

Hi David,
Thank you for welcoming me. I enjoy being on this forum.

A friend of me told me that since the arival of the islam on Java, alot of hindu Javanese people left for bali and lombok taking their empu with them. The Hindu Javanese emupu were doeing their thing on bali, making bali keris with javanese style. My friend says he can tel the difrence between A keris made by al hindu bali empoe and a hindu javanese empu, by looking at the soshoran and gonjo. The hindu javanese seens to be thinner and and less robust than the hindu bali ones. iff i look at kerisses with a bali style willah and sarong within this perspecif i see what he means, and it sound logical.

btw sorry for my bad writen englisch.. i have a good excuse..im Dutch

[A. G. Maisey]

Differentiation of Balinese and Javanese blades is not difficult, but I would leave the "Hindu" out of it.

Hindu Javanese refers to Majapahit and before, that is pre-1525 (nominal date).

Almost 500 years ago.

Let's get fair dinkum.

[David]

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Let's get fair dinkum.

Had to look that one up Alan. You Aussies have some fun expressions.
Kulbuntet, as i understand it the culture of the Majapahit kingdom pretty much moved to Bali after it's fall at the beginning of the 14th century. I don't think you can divide blades made after this time as Javanese Hindu vs. Bali Hindu. At that point it's pretty much just Balinese. The Balinese keris do seem to have then developed into a larger and more robust form. I am not sure that this was the case before the fall of the Majapahit though. Bali was then under the influence of the kingdom as it was centered in Jawa and i believe that the proper pakem of that kraton would dictate the form that keris blades took regardless of whether they were made in Jawa or Bali.