Moro / Borneo hybrid ?

Battara · 13th August 2008, 02:20 AM

Thanks Kino, I plain forgot......

Dajak · 13th August 2008, 06:43 AM

Langai tingal is an Iban sword so blade is Iban

But to see if it is old need to be the Handle off

If the Handle is off I can see if it is old style or newly made
that s why I ask can the handle off .

Ben

Royston · 13th August 2008, 12:10 PM

Ben,

I will be back home soon and I will attempt to take the handle off. I'll let you know the outcome.

Royston

Royston · 14th August 2008, 04:03 PM

Ben

So far I have had no success getting the hilt off. I tried with a hot air gun on the blade near to the hilt and gentle tapping. Anyone got any better ideas?

I am now getting even more confused with the Borneo swords. The only real difference I can see between the first one that Ben calls a Langgai Tinggal and the Parang Nabur that is shown here is the Krowit.
Is this correct ?

I have looked through several of the old threads on this subject and still cannot differentiate between Langgai Tinggal, Jimpal and Parang Naibor.

Can anyone enlighten me further.

Regards
Royston

Battara · 15th August 2008, 07:09 PM

I have been told that this is Filipino, Batangas.

Nice upper rank piece - best of this I have seen with all that silver...

VVV · 16th August 2008, 09:12 AM

Here is a good summary of Shelford's classification of Dayak parang based on his research in Sarawak.
http://old.blades.free.fr/swords/day...ayak_intro.htm
There are however some mistakes in the tribe column but otherwise it's good to use for separating the different dayak parang.
The, so called, Parang Nabur sword of Stone's is an error based on a misreading of a description of a (Parang) Nyabor. That's the reason why neither that sword, nor the kampilan (also an error in Stone's as it's not a dayak sword), is among the swords in Shelford's classification.
Yours is from Philippines, not Borneo, as Jose brought up. And a top piece!

Michael

PS If you want more information on this it's all in the forum archives.

Battara · 16th August 2008, 05:58 PM

VVV, actually there may be a type of kampilan that was used by Illanum migrants in Borneo, also shown in Zonneveld.

14th August 2008, 04:03 PM	#4
Royston Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Poole England Posts: 443	NEW PHOTOS AND QUESTION ON THIS ONE Ben So far I have had no success getting the hilt off. I tried with a hot air gun on the blade near to the hilt and gentle tapping. Anyone got any better ideas? I am now getting even more confused with the Borneo swords. The only real difference I can see between the first one that Ben calls a Langgai Tinggal and the Parang Nabur that is shown here is the Krowit. Is this correct ? I have looked through several of the old threads on this subject and still cannot differentiate between Langgai Tinggal, Jimpal and Parang Naibor. Can anyone enlighten me further. Regards Royston Attached Images

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13th August 2008, 02:20 AM	#1
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	Thanks Kino, I plain forgot......

13th August 2008, 06:43 AM	#2
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Langai tingal is an Iban sword so blade is Iban But to see if it is old need to be the Handle off If the Handle is off I can see if it is old style or newly made that s why I ask can the handle off . Ben

13th August 2008, 12:10 PM	#3
Royston Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Poole England Posts: 443	Ben, I will be back home soon and I will attempt to take the handle off. I'll let you know the outcome. Royston

15th August 2008, 07:09 PM	#5
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	I have been told that this is Filipino, Batangas. Nice upper rank piece - best of this I have seen with all that silver...

16th August 2008, 09:12 AM	#6
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Here is a good summary of Shelford's classification of Dayak parang based on his research in Sarawak. http://old.blades.free.fr/swords/day...ayak_intro.htm There are however some mistakes in the tribe column but otherwise it's good to use for separating the different dayak parang. The, so called, Parang Nabur sword of Stone's is an error based on a misreading of a description of a (Parang) Nyabor. That's the reason why neither that sword, nor the kampilan (also an error in Stone's as it's not a dayak sword), is among the swords in Shelford's classification. Yours is from Philippines, not Borneo, as Jose brought up. And a top piece! Michael PS If you want more information on this it's all in the forum archives.

16th August 2008, 05:58 PM	#7
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	VVV, actually there may be a type of kampilan that was used by Illanum migrants in Borneo, also shown in Zonneveld.