Bad Pamor

sjors · 6th August 2008, 10:58 AM

Dear Mr. Maisey,

On http://old.blades.free.fr/keris/intr...mor_miring.htm
one is refering to "Buntel Mayit or Pangeran Welang".
So , in the autors opinion Pangeran Welang is the same as Buntel Mayat. (I think).
To be honest I also never heard about it before...

A. G. Maisey · 6th August 2008, 11:19 AM

Thanks for that Mr. Sjors.

Who is the author, and where did he get his information? We can probably assume that he did not pull this name out of thin air, so it would be interesting to know the source, and perhaps where that source drew the name from.

He quotes Harsrinuksmo for the illustrations of pamor, but I've just had another look at the entry in Ensiklopedi for that pamor, and it does not mention pangeran welang.

In all honesty, names of pamors can move around a lot. They are not standardised, except perhaps the more common ones, and will have different names in different places. People will give the same pamor a different name, because of some minor difference in execution, still, if pangeran welang were at all a common name somewhere in Jawa, you'd think that Haryoguritno and Harsrinuksmo would have published it. Both lean towards overkill, rather than underkill. Speaking for myself, I cannot recall ever having heard this name used in Central Jawa.

semar · 14th August 2008, 10:54 AM

Hello when you wants to now more about the meaning of the pamor`s
you have to buy the book of emille van veenendaal he describes the pamor`s
and the magical powers of the pamor

regarts semar

PenangsangII · 15th August 2008, 04:22 AM

Bad pamor - IMHO, bad to one person doesnt mean bad to another person. The very reason keris is forged is to benefit the owner, so I dont think buntel mayat is bad perse

14th August 2008, 10:54 AM	#3
semar Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 272	pamor book Hello when you wants to now more about the meaning of the pamor`s you have to buy the book of emille van veenendaal he describes the pamor`s and the magical powers of the pamor regarts semar

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6th August 2008, 10:58 AM	#1
sjors Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 68	Dear Mr. Maisey, On http://old.blades.free.fr/keris/intr...mor_miring.htm one is refering to "Buntel Mayit or Pangeran Welang". So , in the autors opinion Pangeran Welang is the same as Buntel Mayat. (I think). To be honest I also never heard about it before...

6th August 2008, 11:19 AM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	Thanks for that Mr. Sjors. Who is the author, and where did he get his information? We can probably assume that he did not pull this name out of thin air, so it would be interesting to know the source, and perhaps where that source drew the name from. He quotes Harsrinuksmo for the illustrations of pamor, but I've just had another look at the entry in Ensiklopedi for that pamor, and it does not mention pangeran welang. In all honesty, names of pamors can move around a lot. They are not standardised, except perhaps the more common ones, and will have different names in different places. People will give the same pamor a different name, because of some minor difference in execution, still, if pangeran welang were at all a common name somewhere in Jawa, you'd think that Haryoguritno and Harsrinuksmo would have published it. Both lean towards overkill, rather than underkill. Speaking for myself, I cannot recall ever having heard this name used in Central Jawa.

15th August 2008, 04:22 AM	#4
PenangsangII Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 401	Bad pamor - IMHO, bad to one person doesnt mean bad to another person. The very reason keris is forged is to benefit the owner, so I dont think buntel mayat is bad perse