African sword - Salampasu variation?

Freddy · 12th July 2008, 04:45 PM

Very nice, Bill.

It's a Salampasu sword, that's sure. My guess is, that they probably used a good blade from another tribe. Like Luc said, the problem is to find which one.

I like these variations. Salampasu swords aren't rare, that's for sure. But the one you have.... Just try to find a second one. I don't think it would be easy.

Look at the following picture : both Salampasu, no ?

I'll show the rest tomorrow. Have to go to work.

Freddy · 13th July 2008, 12:52 PM

Here are the rest of my pics.

This piece has, I believe, a hilt with Kuba-influence. The top of the hilt ressembles the hilt of a Kuba-sword called 'Ilwoon' or 'Ilonda'.

Why was this blade altered or why did it receive a different hilt ? It fits into an ordinary Salampasu sheath. is it a Kuba sword with a Salampasu blade or a Salampasu blade wiht a Kuba-style hilt. Who knows ?

Interesting, no ?

Tim Simmons · 13th July 2008, 02:41 PM

Always something new coming out of Africa.

Freddy · 13th July 2008, 06:29 PM

Yes, Tim. That's what I like about African weapons. One never gets bored.

Bill M · 14th July 2008, 01:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Simmons

Always something new coming out of Africa.

------------------------Pliny the Elder (A.D.23-79).

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freddy

Yes, Tim. That's what I like about African weapons. One never gets bored.

Great art is never boring. You always see something new.

Flavio · 9th August 2008, 11:14 PM

Wonderful sword Bill, congratulations!!!

I don't think it's salampasu even if the scabbard is very similar to the salampasu ones... on the book "Waffen aus Zentral-Afrika" there is a sword identical and is attributed to the Pendi or Bagandi tribe... Tomorrow I will post a picture of the book.

Flavio

Flavio · 10th August 2008, 11:22 AM

Here are the pictures from the book. Bill's sword with the one on "Waffen aus Zentral-Afrika".

Luc LEFEBVRE · 10th August 2008, 11:51 AM

Well find Flavio.I have not find PENDI, but PINDI a small group at the west of the MBUUM, and to the north of the West PENDE group.Same linguistic group of the PENDE (Bantu).
Here a Pindi sword from the Poppe collection.
And a HUNGANA and PENDE sword to search influences ??
Luc

Bill M · 10th August 2008, 12:23 PM

Thank you Flavio and Luc. I did not see Flavio's post earlier than today. Almost looks like a picture of my same sword! The dealer I bought mine from thought it was 19th c.

12th July 2008, 04:45 PM	#1
Freddy Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sint-Amandsberg (near Ghent, Belgium) Posts: 830	nice Very nice, Bill. It's a Salampasu sword, that's sure. My guess is, that they probably used a good blade from another tribe. Like Luc said, the problem is to find which one. I like these variations. Salampasu swords aren't rare, that's for sure. But the one you have.... Just try to find a second one. I don't think it would be easy. Look at the following picture : both Salampasu, no ? I'll show the rest tomorrow. Have to go to work.

10th August 2008, 11:22 AM	#7
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Here are the pictures from the book. Bill's sword with the one on "Waffen aus Zentral-Afrika". Attached Images

10th August 2008, 11:51 AM	#8
Luc LEFEBVRE Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: France Posts: 473	Well find Flavio.I have not find PENDI, but PINDI a small group at the west of the MBUUM, and to the north of the West PENDE group.Same linguistic group of the PENDE (Bantu). Here a Pindi sword from the Poppe collection. And a HUNGANA and PENDE sword to search influences ?? Luc Attached Images

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13th July 2008, 12:52 PM	#2
Freddy Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sint-Amandsberg (near Ghent, Belgium) Posts: 830	Here are the rest of my pics. This piece has, I believe, a hilt with Kuba-influence. The top of the hilt ressembles the hilt of a Kuba-sword called 'Ilwoon' or 'Ilonda'. Why was this blade altered or why did it receive a different hilt ? It fits into an ordinary Salampasu sheath. is it a Kuba sword with a Salampasu blade or a Salampasu blade wiht a Kuba-style hilt. Who knows ? Interesting, no ?

13th July 2008, 02:41 PM	#3
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,971	Always something new coming out of Africa.

13th July 2008, 06:29 PM	#4
Freddy Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sint-Amandsberg (near Ghent, Belgium) Posts: 830	Yes, Tim. That's what I like about African weapons. One never gets bored.

9th August 2008, 11:14 PM	#6
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Wonderful sword Bill, congratulations!!! I don't think it's salampasu even if the scabbard is very similar to the salampasu ones... on the book "Waffen aus Zentral-Afrika" there is a sword identical and is attributed to the Pendi or Bagandi tribe... Tomorrow I will post a picture of the book. Flavio

10th August 2008, 12:23 PM	#9
Bill M Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Georgia Posts: 1,599	Thank you Flavio and Luc. I did not see Flavio's post earlier than today. Almost looks like a picture of my same sword! The dealer I bought mine from thought it was 19th c.