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Old 9th July 2008, 01:59 PM   #1
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I agree with Ben, Maurice, TVV and few others - we should respect each other's selling preferences - sellers and buyers alike (and each other as well:-) - well done guys:-) No one should dictate or force no one to sell or trade according to anyone's preferences. I am not taking any sides, I am just promoting respect and equality for all members. Asking for offer is no harm in my view - forcing a seller to publicly name the price knowing that the seller prefers not to is impolite. If someone does not wish to participate in a silent auction - simply do not - no one forces you, but do not force the other side either:-)
Hi Alex
You say you are not taking any sides ; i can not say the same, with all due respect for those afected .
The way i view it, so called selling preferences, in places not dedicated to business (read speculation) should only be the ethical ones .
I rather take it that, impolite is to put something for sale in a friendly forum without a price and still refuse to give it after your fellow members request .
Silent (or any type of) auctions are perhaps out of context in a members only forum; this is probably a more pertinent reason for the respect issue ... at least for some.
What you probably mean by forcing is, in the worst, a figure of speech; i feel restrained from further coments on this one .
Sorry Alex, don't take it wrong; i am only defending my dame. I am no business guru and i have never registered on eBay. I feel defenceless before certain exercises
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Old 9th July 2008, 02:12 PM   #2
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I am no business guru and i have never registered on eBay.
Hi Fernando,

That counts for me the same

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Old 9th July 2008, 04:26 PM   #3
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This is just a thought that popped into my head while reading .

The purpose of these forums is to discuss, educate and further our collective knowledge of the subjects we study here .

Pricing methods in Swap that could result in a windfall for a Seller from a *naive Buyer* do not seem to be in the spirit of the forums as I see it .

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Old 9th July 2008, 04:50 PM   #4
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Rick - you're absolutely right.
Fernando, last thought: I understand and respect your opinion. Please allow me to ask for more: I have very nice and rare sword (18th Cent wootz shamshir. signed, in original silver fittings, double kirk pattern). How much does it cost. i.e. how much should I ask for it? What references do I use? Ebay? Other websites? Auctions? etc... I know that many will say: "shamshir like this will cost $2500 on Ebay", but I also know it'd cost about 10 times more on any decent auction (and the buyer will pay 20% on top of it in commissions). I do not know how much it'd exactly fetch though. So, why one can not ask for offer? Of course I can ask $25000 right away, but if I prefer someone who understands the above math to offer something in the acceptable range, and then work on that "seller/buyer click" which Maurice described so nicely earlier on, and without offending others - should I be able to? and I know the Forum is not an auction, I am using it as an example.
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Old 9th July 2008, 07:50 PM   #5
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Rick - you're absolutely right.
Fernando, last thought: I understand and respect your opinion. Please allow me to ask for more: I have very nice and rare sword (18th Cent wootz shamshir. signed, in original silver fittings, double kirk pattern). How much does it cost. i.e. how much should I ask for it? What references do I use? Ebay? Other websites? Auctions? etc... I know that many will say: "shamshir like this will cost $2500 on Ebay", but I also know it'd cost about 10 times more on any decent auction (and the buyer will pay 20% on top of it in commissions). I do not know how much it'd exactly fetch though. So, why one can not ask for offer? Of course I can ask $25000 right away, but if I prefer someone who understands the above math to offer something in the acceptable range, and then work on that "seller/buyer click" which Maurice described so nicely earlier on, and without offending others - should I be able to? and I know the Forum is not an auction, I am using it as an example.
Try to start by taking into account how much you have paid for it ... an ingredient that amazingly you have failed to introduce in your above example .
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Old 9th July 2008, 08:00 PM   #6
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Try to start by taking into account how much you have paid for it ... an ingredient that amazingly you have failed to introduce in your above example .

Fernando after I did give you an price about the peduang I did get an mail that you are out of it .
Is it that you only want to now prices or want to buy seriuos an outstanding weapon.


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Old 9th July 2008, 08:21 PM   #7
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Fernando after I did give you an price about the peduang I did get an mail that you are out of it .
Is it that you only want to now prices or want to buy seriuos an outstanding weapon.
Ben
Precisely Ben, you are giving me all the reason . If you had posted its price in the first place, i wouldn't have to ask you for it ... as i wouldn't need to get out, because i wouldn't have even got in; that price was far beyond my whilling to pay for it.
Sorry, but that thing of you naming your stuff as outstanding, sounds a bit commercial
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Old 9th July 2008, 09:09 PM   #8
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Fernando after I did give you an price about the peduang I did get an mail that you are out of it .
Is it that you only want to now prices or want to buy seriuos an outstanding weapon.


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That is why you should post prices up front. Let say you put a 750Euro price on an item then members would gauge if they can afford it without having to email you for the same price. I really don't understand why you are getting so upset at this reasonable idea. When I go to a gun show dealers have prices listed for a item they want to sell. When I go out to eat the menu has prices for each entree. So why not post prices up front? If you have a set price in mind that you will feel comfortable with just post it. Btw your comment about Fernando was really not called for. If any of us need to know prices I am sure we know enough people in the collecting community to ask for advise.



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