Shamshir help needed Blade cartouche translation

P.Abrera · 3rd July 2008, 04:59 PM

Is the fact that the fuller runs under the guard rather than stops short of it with space for the cartouche on a flat section at the base of the blade unusual for this type of weapon?

Atlantia · 3rd July 2008, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by P.Abrera

Is the fact that the fuller runs under the guard rather than stops short of it with space for the cartouche on a flat section at the base of the blade unusual for this type of weapon?

Interesting point! I wonder if the blade has been remounted?

TVV · 3rd July 2008, 06:03 PM

I personally do not think the hilt is Turkish.

Atlantia · 3rd July 2008, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TVV

I personally do not think the hilt is Turkish.

I'm certainly no expert TVV I'm only guessing. Do you have any strong leanings as to where it might hail from?

TVV · 3rd July 2008, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Atlantia

I'm certainly no expert TVV I'm only guessing. Do you have any strong leanings as to where it might hail from?

I am not absolutely certain, but the pommel with the cap looks Persian to me. But as pointed out it could also be Indian or Central Asian. I just do not think it is Ottoman, because of the hilt shape.

ward · 3rd July 2008, 06:31 PM

TVV is right its not Turkish probably had grips replaced in working life maybe the guard was modified at that time. Pommel is older maybe from another sword

Ward

Atlantia · 4th July 2008, 10:49 PM

Hi Ward, so you thinking persian/middle east?

Oh, and Bump! ;-)

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3rd July 2008, 04:59 PM	#1
P.Abrera Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 20	Is the fact that the fuller runs under the guard rather than stops short of it with space for the cartouche on a flat section at the base of the blade unusual for this type of weapon?

3rd July 2008, 06:03 PM	#3
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,724	I personally do not think the hilt is Turkish.

3rd July 2008, 06:31 PM	#6
ward Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 637	TVV is right its not Turkish probably had grips replaced in working life maybe the guard was modified at that time. Pommel is older maybe from another sword Ward

4th July 2008, 10:49 PM	#7
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Hi Ward, so you thinking persian/middle east? Oh, and Bump! ;-)