BUGIS KERIS 9 LUK for comments or fun

asomotif · 20th March 2008, 01:09 PM

The additional pictures, still far from perfect

Alam Shah · 20th March 2008, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by asomotif

The additional pictures, still far from perfect

Thank you, Willem. Good enough for my purpose.
I stand firm with my initial opinion that the old sheath is not original to the blade. However, it does adequately house the blade nicely.

The blade is Sumatran, imho... a very nicely made ganja-iras piece. It looks even better with these newer pictures. Thank you for sharing.

asomotif · 20th March 2008, 03:39 PM

Dear Alam,

Do you have any idea on the age of this blade ?

Alam Shah · 20th March 2008, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by asomotif

Dear Alam,

Do you have any idea on the age of this blade ?

I'm sorry Willem, age-wise... I'm not sure. Perhaps other might be able to assist.

Henk · 20th March 2008, 08:18 PM

I agree with Alam Shah. The scabbard wasn't made for this blade.
Nice keris with gondjo iras.

Won't burn my fingers either by guessing the age of a keris blade. Unless the blade has some characteristics to make a careful guess. Even then it will remain a guess.

A. G. Maisey · 20th March 2008, 11:41 PM

Maybe this wrongko was not original to the blade, but quite frankly, I still cannot see sufficient to allow me to say one way or the other. Yes, I can see the opening in front of the sirah cecak, but the kembang kacang projects beyond the sirah cecak; yes I can see the amount that the top of the gonjo sits above the curve of the wrongko, but the gonjo is abnormally straight, yes, I can see that the buntut urang sits proud of the wood, but I can also see that this is a large and substantial blade, and the joint of the gambar to gandar has not been reset.

It is also a fact of life that not all keris blades had their wrongkos made by master craftsmen who invariably achieved a perfect fit of blade to wood. Many old blades were fitted to wrongkos that were already made , not old, pre-used wrongkos, but wrongkos that were held ready by a market tukang who fitted the blade while the customer waited. I have seen many old Javanese blades in such wrongkos, and the fitting is often far from perfect.I can only assume that similar market practices existed in other places than Jawa.

Yes, maybe this wrongko is not original to the blade, but from what I have so far seen in these pics, I could not say one way or the other--- put it this way:- I would not gamble money on being certain about one thing or the other.

Alam Shah · 21st March 2008, 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Henk

I agree with Alam Shah. The scabbard wasn't made for this blade.
Nice keris with gondjo iras.

Won't burn my fingers either by guessing the age of a keris blade. Unless the blade has some characteristics to make a careful guess. Even then it will remain a guess.

Hi Henk,
Yes, the fingers won't burn... but I not prepared to give a supportable opinion.

asomotif · 18th April 2008, 12:23 PM

How is it now with a Toli Toli ?

best regards,
Willem

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asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,228	The additional pictures, still far from perfect Attached Images

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20th March 2008, 03:39 PM	#3
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,228	Dear Alam, Do you have any idea on the age of this blade ?

20th March 2008, 08:18 PM	#5
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	I agree with Alam Shah. The scabbard wasn't made for this blade. Nice keris with gondjo iras. Won't burn my fingers either by guessing the age of a keris blade. Unless the blade has some characteristics to make a careful guess. Even then it will remain a guess.

20th March 2008, 11:41 PM	#6
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	Maybe this wrongko was not original to the blade, but quite frankly, I still cannot see sufficient to allow me to say one way or the other. Yes, I can see the opening in front of the sirah cecak, but the kembang kacang projects beyond the sirah cecak; yes I can see the amount that the top of the gonjo sits above the curve of the wrongko, but the gonjo is abnormally straight, yes, I can see that the buntut urang sits proud of the wood, but I can also see that this is a large and substantial blade, and the joint of the gambar to gandar has not been reset. It is also a fact of life that not all keris blades had their wrongkos made by master craftsmen who invariably achieved a perfect fit of blade to wood. Many old blades were fitted to wrongkos that were already made , not old, pre-used wrongkos, but wrongkos that were held ready by a market tukang who fitted the blade while the customer waited. I have seen many old Javanese blades in such wrongkos, and the fitting is often far from perfect.I can only assume that similar market practices existed in other places than Jawa. Yes, maybe this wrongko is not original to the blade, but from what I have so far seen in these pics, I could not say one way or the other--- put it this way:- I would not gamble money on being certain about one thing or the other.