Tribal dart quiver

Dajak · 15th February 2008, 06:37 PM

Ok Willem here are mine Sumpitan s

Ben

VANDOO · 21st February 2008, 03:10 AM

THE MAJORITY OF THE BLOWGUNS I HAVE SEEN IN INDO CHINA (MALAYSIA, BORNEO, ECT) HAVE BEEN OF THE ROUND SORT AND NOT HAVING A LARGE MOUTHPIECE ADDED TO THE END. THE QUIVERS ARE USUALLY MADE OF BAMBOO AND THE DARTS USE A PITH CONE ON THE END TO SEAL THE DART IN THE TUBE. THEY ALSO HAVE A SPEAR BLADE AND METAL SIGHT, WHICH IS NOT USED IN SOUTH AMERICA. I HAVE SEEN ONE OF THE SHORT RECTANGLER ONES SAID TO BE MORO BUT THERE WAS NO PROVENANCE.

THE ONES USED IN SOUTH AMERICA ARE EITHER ROUND OR A FLAT RECTANGLER SHAPED. THE ROUND ONES HAVE THE LARGE MOUTHPIECE AND THE RETANGULAR DO NOT HAVE A MOUTH PIECE. BOTH STYLES OF THE SOUTH AMERICAN BLOWGUNS DO NOT HAVE A SPEAR BLADE. THE DART QUIVERS ARE OFTEN VERY SIMPLY MADE FROM PLANT FIBERS AND ALL USE SOME FORM OF PLANT FIBER LIKE (COTTON OR KAPOK) ON THE END TO SEAL THE LONG SPLINTER OR THORN. I THINK THERE IS A LARGER SET OF DARTS, POISON AND KAPOK THAT MAY BE LEFT AT THE CAMP WHILE HUNTING I HAVE SUCH A SET. JUST A SMALLER QUIVER WITH DARTS ALREADY PREPARED FOR USE WAS PROBABLY TAKEN ON THE HUNT. THE BLOWGUNS ARE QUITE LONG AND SOMETIMES HAVE A SIGHT MADE OF BONES OR TEETH FROM VARIOUS ANIMALS, PROBABLY TO BRING LUCK ON THE HUNT.

PICTURES ADDED ARE ALL DAYAK, SUMPIT MOUTHPEICE, BLADE, DARTS AND A TOOL FOR MAKING DARTS.
THERE IS ANOTHER BLOWGUN MADE IN THE FORM OF A DRAGON WITH A SMALL CONTAINER FOR DARTS. THE DRAGONS TAIL IS REMOVED AND THE DART INSERTED AND LEAVES THRU THE DRAGONS MOUTH. I HAVE SEEN THESE MADE OF HORN AND BONE SINCE THE 1960'S. I SUSPECT THEY ARE MADE FOR TOURISTS RATHER THAN FOR ACTUAL USE. BUT THEY ARE NEAT LOOKING.

MY THANKS TO THERION ARMS FOR SOME OF THE PICTURES I HOPE HE DOSEN'T MIND MY USING THEM FOR EXAMPLES.

VANDOO · 21st February 2008, 03:26 AM

SOUTH AMERICAN EXAMPLES FOR COMPARISON, JIVARO PREPARING DARTS, BLOWGUN AND QUIVER WITH DARTS.

VANDOO · 21st February 2008, 09:06 PM

TWO MORE FROM SOUTH AMERICA. 1. YAGUAS TRIBE PERU, HUNTER WITH A LONG BLOWGUN. 2. 1960 HUAORANI WARRIOR WITH BLOWGUN, CLUB, POISON POT AND SHRUNKEN HEAD.

Albert · 21st February 2008, 09:20 PM

The picture that Vandoo posted of the natives of Makassar, is very interesting. Not only for its age or because of the blowguns, but also for the hilt of the short sword one of them carries. It is a type I do not know, and it seems to resemble the hilts from the Batak on Sumatra. I am very curious about the source of the picture! Can you help?

VANDOO · 22nd February 2008, 02:22 AM

THE PICTURE WAS A PAGE FROM A OLD BOOK OFFERED FOR SALE ON EBAY MANY BOOKS ARE BEING TORN UP AND THE PLATES BEING SOLD ON EBAY FOR MORE THAN YOU CAN GET SELLING THE ENTIRE BOOKS. THAT IS ALL THE INFORMATION THAT WAS GIVEN ON EBAY SO I DON'T KNOW WHO DID THE DRAWING PERHAPS SOMEONE FRAMILIAR WITH THE HISTORY OF THE AREA AT THAT TIME PERIOD COULD GUESS WHAT EUROPEAN COUNTRY WAS INVOLVED THERE AT THE TIME.

I THINK WHAT YOU ARE SEEING IN THE PICTURE IS THE DART CASE IN THE FRONT OF THE BELT OF THE CENTER WARRIOR. WHAT APPEARS TO BE THE HANDLE OF A KNIFE IS ACTUALLY THE ENDS OF SEVERAL DARTS WITH PITH OR FIBER ON THEM, READY TO GRAB AND LOAD AND SHOOT. I WONDER IF THE DRAWING IS ACURATE FOR THE SHAPE OF THE DART CASES OR IF THEY WERE THE ROUND BAMBOO ONES WHICH ARE USUALLY FOUND. PERHAPS A QUIVER OF THAT SHAPE WILL SHOW UP?.

Albert · 22nd February 2008, 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VANDOO

THE PICTURE WAS A PAGE FROM A OLD BOOK OFFERED FOR SALE ON EBAY MANY BOOKS ARE BEING TORN UP AND THE PLATES BEING SOLD ON EBAY FOR MORE THAN YOU CAN GET SELLING THE ENTIRE BOOKS. THAT IS ALL THE INFORMATION THAT WAS GIVEN ON EBAY SO I DON'T KNOW WHO DID THE DRAWING PERHAPS SOMEONE FRAMILIAR WITH THE HISTORY OF THE AREA AT THAT TIME PERIOD COULD GUESS WHAT EUROPEAN COUNTRY WAS INVOLVED THERE AT THE TIME.

I THINK WHAT YOU ARE SEEING IN THE PICTURE IS THE DART CASE IN THE FRONT OF THE BELT OF THE CENTER WARRIOR. WHAT APPEARS TO BE THE HANDLE OF A KNIFE IS ACTUALLY THE ENDS OF SEVERAL DARTS WITH PITH OR FIBER ON THEM, READY TO GRAB AND LOAD AND SHOOT. I WONDER IF THE DRAWING IS ACURATE FOR THE SHAPE OF THE DART CASES OR IF THEY WERE THE ROUND BAMBOO ONES WHICH ARE USUALLY FOUND. PERHAPS A QUIVER OF THAT SHAPE WILL SHOW UP?.

Now I see, it indeed is a quiver with darts. Never seen this shape before!
It is a pity that destroying books (and in the process losing the provenace) generates more money than selling the complete one.

kai · 3rd March 2008, 11:16 PM

Hello Albert,

Quote:

The picture that Vandoo posted of the natives of Makassar, is very interesting. Not only for its age or because of the blowguns, but also for the hilt of the short sword one of them carries.

I'm missing something: A sword hilt figured on the old print with the 3 native blow-gunners? Help!

Regards,
Kai

Albert · 6th March 2008, 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kai

Hello Albert,

I'm missing something: A sword hilt figured on the old print with the 3 native blow-gunners? Help!

Regards,
Kai

Hello Kai,

My mistake, the 'sword hilt' appears to be a bundle of blow-darts butts.

Albert

15th February 2008, 06:37 PM	#1
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Ok Willem here are mine Sumpitan s Ben Attached Images

21st February 2008, 03:10 AM	#2
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	THE MAJORITY OF THE BLOWGUNS I HAVE SEEN IN INDO CHINA (MALAYSIA, BORNEO, ECT) HAVE BEEN OF THE ROUND SORT AND NOT HAVING A LARGE MOUTHPIECE ADDED TO THE END. THE QUIVERS ARE USUALLY MADE OF BAMBOO AND THE DARTS USE A PITH CONE ON THE END TO SEAL THE DART IN THE TUBE. THEY ALSO HAVE A SPEAR BLADE AND METAL SIGHT, WHICH IS NOT USED IN SOUTH AMERICA. I HAVE SEEN ONE OF THE SHORT RECTANGLER ONES SAID TO BE MORO BUT THERE WAS NO PROVENANCE. THE ONES USED IN SOUTH AMERICA ARE EITHER ROUND OR A FLAT RECTANGLER SHAPED. THE ROUND ONES HAVE THE LARGE MOUTHPIECE AND THE RETANGULAR DO NOT HAVE A MOUTH PIECE. BOTH STYLES OF THE SOUTH AMERICAN BLOWGUNS DO NOT HAVE A SPEAR BLADE. THE DART QUIVERS ARE OFTEN VERY SIMPLY MADE FROM PLANT FIBERS AND ALL USE SOME FORM OF PLANT FIBER LIKE (COTTON OR KAPOK) ON THE END TO SEAL THE LONG SPLINTER OR THORN. I THINK THERE IS A LARGER SET OF DARTS, POISON AND KAPOK THAT MAY BE LEFT AT THE CAMP WHILE HUNTING I HAVE SUCH A SET. JUST A SMALLER QUIVER WITH DARTS ALREADY PREPARED FOR USE WAS PROBABLY TAKEN ON THE HUNT. THE BLOWGUNS ARE QUITE LONG AND SOMETIMES HAVE A SIGHT MADE OF BONES OR TEETH FROM VARIOUS ANIMALS, PROBABLY TO BRING LUCK ON THE HUNT. PICTURES ADDED ARE ALL DAYAK, SUMPIT MOUTHPEICE, BLADE, DARTS AND A TOOL FOR MAKING DARTS. THERE IS ANOTHER BLOWGUN MADE IN THE FORM OF A DRAGON WITH A SMALL CONTAINER FOR DARTS. THE DRAGONS TAIL IS REMOVED AND THE DART INSERTED AND LEAVES THRU THE DRAGONS MOUTH. I HAVE SEEN THESE MADE OF HORN AND BONE SINCE THE 1960'S. I SUSPECT THEY ARE MADE FOR TOURISTS RATHER THAN FOR ACTUAL USE. BUT THEY ARE NEAT LOOKING. MY THANKS TO THERION ARMS FOR SOME OF THE PICTURES I HOPE HE DOSEN'T MIND MY USING THEM FOR EXAMPLES. Attached Images Last edited by VANDOO; 21st February 2008 at 03:28 AM.

21st February 2008, 03:26 AM	#3
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	SOUTH AMERICAN EXAMPLES FOR COMPARISON, JIVARO PREPARING DARTS, BLOWGUN AND QUIVER WITH DARTS. Attached Images

21st February 2008, 09:06 PM	#4
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	TWO MORE FROM SOUTH AMERICA. 1. YAGUAS TRIBE PERU, HUNTER WITH A LONG BLOWGUN. 2. 1960 HUAORANI WARRIOR WITH BLOWGUN, CLUB, POISON POT AND SHRUNKEN HEAD. Attached Images

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21st February 2008, 09:20 PM	#5
Albert Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 200	The picture that Vandoo posted of the natives of Makassar, is very interesting. Not only for its age or because of the blowguns, but also for the hilt of the short sword one of them carries. It is a type I do not know, and it seems to resemble the hilts from the Batak on Sumatra. I am very curious about the source of the picture! Can you help?

22nd February 2008, 02:22 AM	#6
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	THE PICTURE WAS A PAGE FROM A OLD BOOK OFFERED FOR SALE ON EBAY MANY BOOKS ARE BEING TORN UP AND THE PLATES BEING SOLD ON EBAY FOR MORE THAN YOU CAN GET SELLING THE ENTIRE BOOKS. THAT IS ALL THE INFORMATION THAT WAS GIVEN ON EBAY SO I DON'T KNOW WHO DID THE DRAWING PERHAPS SOMEONE FRAMILIAR WITH THE HISTORY OF THE AREA AT THAT TIME PERIOD COULD GUESS WHAT EUROPEAN COUNTRY WAS INVOLVED THERE AT THE TIME. I THINK WHAT YOU ARE SEEING IN THE PICTURE IS THE DART CASE IN THE FRONT OF THE BELT OF THE CENTER WARRIOR. WHAT APPEARS TO BE THE HANDLE OF A KNIFE IS ACTUALLY THE ENDS OF SEVERAL DARTS WITH PITH OR FIBER ON THEM, READY TO GRAB AND LOAD AND SHOOT. I WONDER IF THE DRAWING IS ACURATE FOR THE SHAPE OF THE DART CASES OR IF THEY WERE THE ROUND BAMBOO ONES WHICH ARE USUALLY FOUND. PERHAPS A QUIVER OF THAT SHAPE WILL SHOW UP?.