Tulwar scabbard

Jens Nordlunde · 7th January 2008, 05:10 PM

Richard,

Having seen the old scabbard, I fully agree with all the ohhh’s and ahhhh’s. It is really remarkable what you have ended up with – I only wished we did not live so far apart.

Jens

katana · 7th January 2008, 08:27 PM

Hi Richard,
BRAVO.....excellent work

What sort of adhesive did you use to fix the covering to the wooden scabbard 'core'. Any tips as to the technique of applying the material.(I've still to finish my Khanda scabbard)

Kind Regards David

Pukka Bundook · 7th January 2008, 10:39 PM

Tim,
Here are some close-ups of the scabbard mounts.
The new one's the first picture, and third pic.

Richard.

Pukka Bundook · 8th January 2008, 03:30 AM

David,
I used contact cement to stick the jacket on the wood.
I rubbed it on the wood and velvet very thinly with a finger. (If you apply the glue in a thick, lumpy manner, it'll show through afterward) Then let it dry. Be careful you get it lined up before the two parts make contact!
When they stick, they're stuck!
I started applying the velvet down the seam, and then pulled it tightly as I wrapped it around.
It put up a bit of a fight, but serrendered in the end....

Ward,
Didn't know anything about the gold and religeon.
If it ever needs a new jacket, I'll see if I can find some reddish-gold foil!

Jens Nordlunde · 8th January 2008, 04:12 PM

Richard,
Splendid pictures, thank you very much.
Jens

Tim Simmons · 8th January 2008, 06:24 PM

Thanks for the close up pictures, great stuff. That is quite a restoration, very sensitive. You have almost caught the spirit of the first maker.
I never like doing work where I have to rework somebody else's hand, Not just because I cannot get the money because people think it will be cheap as some of the work is already done. How wrong! it is like trying to copy another persons hand writing, it comes from another head another life and thought.

Sikh_soldier · 13th January 2008, 12:09 AM

I had previously been surprised at the fact that we cannot make arms and armour to the same level and standard as our predecessors.

However, I am happy that seeing this magnificent scabbard, it proves that it is not necessarily a lack of skill that prevents us making masterpieces but time and effort.

That old battle-tulwar had been through its wars, and has now been laid to rest with honour. In fact, if it could speak its probably now revitalised, uplifted and raring to go once again.

Thanks for the care, service and respect shown to this old veteran.

Regards
Bally

Dom · 16th January 2008, 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pukka Bundook

Didn't know anything about the gold and religeon.

In Islam; silk, perfumes, and GOLD, even, what it’s golden plated, or remind gold (color) ... it’s ban for men, but allowed for women

....
..... theoretically

about perfumes, I mixed up ... sorry, I have to review my classics,
in fact it's the women they haven't the right to leave their homes, full up perfumed, to don't attract the men in the street

Anyway, splendid restoration, magnificent scabbard, fantastic work ... and great look ... congratulations

regards

à +

Dom

Pukka Bundook · 17th January 2008, 03:38 AM

Dom,
Thank you. I will remember what you have told me.
Regarding the gold, Is this something new?
I am thinking of the swords with gold inscriptions on the blades, or Koftgari, or Gold covered hilts, even from Rhajestan and the Punjab.

Please can you clarify the position?

Thank you for your reply!

Richard.

olikara · 17th January 2008, 09:50 AM

I believe Orthodox Muslim Men abhor Gold ornaments, however even the strictest among their rulers used Gold decoration liberally on their weapons of offense and state.

Tipu Sultan, in no respect a Non-Observant Muslim, used Gold on his swords and scabbard mounts very liberally. Check out:
http://www.stephenwoodresearch.com/port/tip01.htm

Another of Tipu's personal swords at the National Museum, Delhi dated 1790 A.D. uses Gold Hilt Damascening and again the blade is inscribed in Gold. See Page 40, Arms and Armour - E. Jaiwant Paul.

Similarly with Nadir Shah's Battle Axe in the same museum.

There are many more examples.

Nidhin Olikara

Dom · 17th January 2008, 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pukka Bundook

Regarding the gold, Is this something new?

Hi Richard

the disposition regarding gold and men is not a new fashion, it's mentionned in the Holy Koran
but, you know, there is every time the
- do what I am telling you, don't do what I am doing

and also the several allegiances of Muslims,
some (some tribes located Turkia/Syria) are officially drinking alcool,
some others are married with just one (1) wife (some tribes Egyptian Bedouins)
even, a tribe in Yemen (nearby Mokka) where women are faces veiled but breast top less.
also .. I stand on the generality

regards

à +

Dom

7th January 2008, 10:39 PM	#3
Pukka Bundook Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 803	Tim, Here are some close-ups of the scabbard mounts. The new one's the first picture, and third pic. Richard. Last edited by Pukka Bundook; 8th January 2008 at 02:51 AM.

17th January 2008, 09:50 AM	#10
olikara Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: India Posts: 102	Gold Work on Islamic Weapons I believe Orthodox Muslim Men abhor Gold ornaments, however even the strictest among their rulers used Gold decoration liberally on their weapons of offense and state. Tipu Sultan, in no respect a Non-Observant Muslim, used Gold on his swords and scabbard mounts very liberally. Check out: http://www.stephenwoodresearch.com/port/tip01.htm Another of Tipu's personal swords at the National Museum, Delhi dated 1790 A.D. uses Gold Hilt Damascening and again the blade is inscribed in Gold. See Page 40, Arms and Armour - E. Jaiwant Paul. Similarly with Nadir Shah's Battle Axe in the same museum. There are many more examples. Nidhin Olikara Last edited by olikara; 17th January 2008 at 10:41 AM. Reason: Added Reference

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7th January 2008, 05:10 PM	#1
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Richard, Having seen the old scabbard, I fully agree with all the ohhh’s and ahhhh’s. It is really remarkable what you have ended up with – I only wished we did not live so far apart. Jens

7th January 2008, 08:27 PM	#2
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,658	Hi Richard, BRAVO.....excellent work What sort of adhesive did you use to fix the covering to the wooden scabbard 'core'. Any tips as to the technique of applying the material.(I've still to finish my Khanda scabbard) Kind Regards David

8th January 2008, 03:30 AM	#4
Pukka Bundook Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 803	David, I used contact cement to stick the jacket on the wood. I rubbed it on the wood and velvet very thinly with a finger. (If you apply the glue in a thick, lumpy manner, it'll show through afterward) Then let it dry. Be careful you get it lined up before the two parts make contact! When they stick, they're stuck! I started applying the velvet down the seam, and then pulled it tightly as I wrapped it around. It put up a bit of a fight, but serrendered in the end.... Ward, Didn't know anything about the gold and religeon. If it ever needs a new jacket, I'll see if I can find some reddish-gold foil!

8th January 2008, 04:12 PM	#5
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Richard, Splendid pictures, thank you very much. Jens

8th January 2008, 06:24 PM	#6
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,925	Thanks for the close up pictures, great stuff. That is quite a restoration, very sensitive. You have almost caught the spirit of the first maker. I never like doing work where I have to rework somebody else's hand, Not just because I cannot get the money because people think it will be cheap as some of the work is already done. How wrong! it is like trying to copy another persons hand writing, it comes from another head another life and thought.

13th January 2008, 12:09 AM	#7
Sikh_soldier Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 87	I had previously been surprised at the fact that we cannot make arms and armour to the same level and standard as our predecessors. However, I am happy that seeing this magnificent scabbard, it proves that it is not necessarily a lack of skill that prevents us making masterpieces but time and effort. That old battle-tulwar had been through its wars, and has now been laid to rest with honour. In fact, if it could speak its probably now revitalised, uplifted and raring to go once again. Thanks for the care, service and respect shown to this old veteran. Regards Bally

17th January 2008, 03:38 AM	#9
Pukka Bundook Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 803	Dom, Thank you. I will remember what you have told me. Regarding the gold, Is this something new? I am thinking of the swords with gold inscriptions on the blades, or Koftgari, or Gold covered hilts, even from Rhajestan and the Punjab. Please can you clarify the position? Thank you for your reply! Richard.